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Observations of The Spyder Universe

spyderCodes

spyderCodes

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Groups, I think, can have personalities.
The group personality isn't exactly the sum of its parts either.
As the group changes so can the personality.


The Spyder Universe is expanding rapidly.


Gone are the days of early adopters.
They had to be a little crazy.
Three wheels, two placed the wrong way, a snowmobile engine and cowling colors, not in the traditional black, but vibrant yellows and reds.
Personally, I loved it but I couldn't fit on one.
What a weird vehicle.


A few years later, BRP doubled down and took their creation upscale.
A larger touring machine was introduced.
The price seemed quite staggering, but like a lot of others, I got in line to pay the price of admission to this strange world.
The RT moved the Spyder Universe demographic decidedly into the gray/balding spectrum.


The ST came later to fill a marketing niche that I still don't really think exists but it does bring a bit of diversity into the Spyder Universe.


The F3 is BRP's all out salvo to enter the largest part of the open road market. The target demographic is supposed to be the younger affluent. This strategy may or may not be working.


Each new model brings people in and some of us migrate to explore the newest offerings.

Of course with a conveyance as complicated as the Spyder sometimes BRP misfires and other times it shoots itself in the foot.
After several years of watching this I have to conclude they are slow and ponderous.
I have no idea by what process they deliberate but they have always managed to engineer themselves out of the problem.

Eventually.


This is an amazing place.
Just in the past couple of weeks I've seen folks line up and go out of their way several hundred miles to help someone.
Then I saw a line form to help out someone in a country 3000 miles obtain an item.
And these aren't rare occurrences in The Spyder Universe.




It's up to all of us to keep the Spyder Universe the friendly place it was while welcoming those new folks who are coming in to make it grow.
 
Thanks for a GREAT observation... another one of many, from you! :clap:
Our little "Sandbox on the 'Net", is growing, and the Spyders are changing; but it's still the same type of great folks in here, that make our Family such a strong one. :2thumbs:
 
Yep , pleasantly surprised

The gentleman overseas got a faster and more courteous response than I usually do in places where I put many dollars in THEIR pockets .... And as mentioned many not just jumping in but joining the cue and offering backup . Help without a hidden agenda , what a novel idea :thumbup:
 
Nicely done...

Great point and we don't see all of the members mostly the ones here. There are so many more out there doing the same...:bowdown: for the review of the spyder ryders we know and love and the many we meet along the way....:riding::riding::riding::riding:
 
I can so far relate to two of the four you mentioned. GS/RS and RT.

No interest whatsoever in the ST.

F3 is still not a done deal for me. Interesting to note, that most buying an F3 are trying to make it into an RT by adding bags, trunks, and floorboards??????

2017 should be an interesting year (10th anniversary).
 
Ty for the post.. I think they want a F3 that has some RT items like storage but to me it's a totally different machine, looks and performance.. I love mine and look forward to riding each and everytime... I think all the models are great and hope to get an RT for my wife in a year or so... She getting her license this summer I hope. Glad BRP took a chance and came out with an original idea.
 
Your usual eloquent expression of something many of us have experienced, Roger! Thanks for sharing.

Now about F3 being targeted at "younger affluent" folks. Thank you for making me (and you) seem younger!!! :ohyea:
 
akspyderman said:
I can so far relate to two of the four you mentioned. GS/RS and RT.

No interest whatsoever in the ST.

F3 is still not a done deal for me. Interesting to note, that most buying an F3 are trying to make it into an RT by adding bags, trunks, and floorboards??????
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Sounds to me like the F3 buyers you refer to are try to build a sport-tourer (ST) rather that a regular tourer (RT). The sport-tourer class attempts to combine the performance of a sport bike with the long-distance capabilities and comfort of a touring bike. Because they are a hybrid there is a trade-off between comfort and performance. The ST as designed by BRP leans toward the comfort end of the spectrum. An F3 with bags, trunks and floorboards is aiming for the sportier end.

Skip H
Elyria, OH
 
spyderCodes said:
The F3 is BRP's all out salvo to enter the largest part of the open road market. The target demographic is supposed to be the younger affluent. This strategy may or may not be working.


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That is the demographic that they thought would go for the RS/GS and it took them a few years to realize that they were way off mark. They have had a hard time coming to grips with the fact that most of their sales are to wealthy older people who are often also woman. And not skinny women either, it took them at least 4 years to realize that we don't fit well into European sized and styled clothes.
 
spyderCodes said:
Groups, I think, can have personalities.
The group personality isn't exactly the sum of its parts either.
As the group changes so can the personality.


The Spyder Universe is expanding rapidly.


Gone are the days of early adopters.
They had to be a little crazy.
Three wheels, two placed the wrong way, a snowmobile engine and cowling colors, not in the traditional black, but vibrant yellows and reds.
Personally, I loved it but I couldn't fit on one.
What a weird vehicle.


A few years later, BRP doubled down and took their creation upscale.
A larger touring machine was introduced.
The price seemed quite staggering, but like a lot of others, I got in line to pay the price of admission to this strange world.
The RT moved the Spyder Universe demographic decidedly into the gray/balding spectrum.


The ST came later to fill a marketing niche that I still don't really think exists but it does bring a bit of diversity into the Spyder Universe.


The F3 is BRP's all out salvo to enter the largest part of the open road market. The target demographic is supposed to be the younger affluent. This strategy may or may not be working.


Each new model brings people in and some of us migrate to explore the newest offerings.

Of course with a conveyance as complicated as the Spyder sometimes BRP misfires and other times it shoots itself in the foot.
After several years of watching this I have to conclude they are slow and ponderous.
I have no idea by what process they deliberate but they have always managed to engineer themselves out of the problem.

Eventually.


This is an amazing place.
Just in the past couple of weeks I've seen folks line up and go out of their way several hundred miles to help someone.
Then I saw a line form to help out someone in a country 3000 miles obtain an item.
And these aren't rare occurrences in The Spyder Universe.




It's up to all of us to keep the Spyder Universe the friendly place it was while welcoming those new folks who are coming in to make it grow.
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Dont forget our enabled ryders niche where spyders make world of differance :firstplace:
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PrairieSpyder said:
Your usual eloquent expression of something many of us have experienced, Roger! Thanks for sharing.

Now about F3 being targeted at "younger affluent" folks. Thank you for making me (and you) seem younger!!! :ohyea:
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Patti, if we were any younger we wouldn't be legal to drive the bloody things.
 
Bfromla said:
Dont forget our enabled ryders niche where spyders make world of differance :firstplace:
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"The RT moved the Spyder Universe demographic decidedly into the gray/balding spectrum."

Hey watch it, I resemble that....:roflblack::yes::riding::riding: any enjoying every minute of it.....
 
With the ST I felt that BRP looked at the common changes RS owners made to their Spyders and then used that as a design pattern. Great idea in theory but what they didn't take into account was many of those owners didn't actually want off-the-shelf solution and instead preferred to 'tinker' with their ride to match their individual requirements.

Obviously the penny dropped after that and that's why the F3 is more of a mix-and-match design with iso-fit, different screens, luggage etc.

I'm also not sure about the demographic of the F3. I would say it's not aimed at the young/affluent but rather the cruiser market which is a wide age group.

It's more about segments of the market and if you compare Spyders with Honda's for example you'd end up with something like this:

  • RS = VFR
  • ST = ST
  • RT = Goldwing
  • F3 = Valkyrie

So what segments haven't they got covered yet? The ones I can think of are:
  • Naked/Streetfighter
  • Racer
  • Adventure

The proper off-roaders are obviously covered by the Bombardiers.
 
PistonBlown said:
With the ST I felt that BRP looked at the common changes RS owners made to their Spyders and then used that as a design pattern. Great idea in theory but what they didn't take into account was many of those owners didn't actually want off-the-shelf solution and instead preferred to 'tinker' with their ride to match their individual requirements.

Obviously the penny dropped after that and that's why the F3 is more of a mix-and-match design with iso-fit, different screens, luggage etc.

I'm also not sure about the demographic of the F3. I would say it's not aimed at the young/affluent but rather the cruiser market which is a wide age group.

It's more about segments of the market and if you compare Spyders with Honda's for example you'd end up with something like this:

  • RS = VFR
  • ST = ST
  • RT = Goldwing
  • F3 = Valkyrie

So what segments haven't they got covered yet? The ones I can think of are:
  • Naked/Streetfighter
  • Racer
  • Adventure

The proper off-roaders are obviously covered by the Bombardiers.
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I agree.
The "largest part of the open road market" that I was referring to is the Cruiser market. I didn't use the term because it's one I don't understand.
What is more important to BRP is the age bracket.

As it stands right now the only way BRP gets young butts in the seats is when they drive their deceased parents RT to the auction house.

Okay, I should not have said that.
I'll retract it.
 
PistonBrown, you're putting us Yanks to shame with your global countries visited map. :2thumbs: Most of us only have US States to color in! ;)
 
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