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Originally Posted by dondje
Not equivalent!
My manual says JASO MA2. The Delo® 400 XSP SAE 5W-40 application chart says JASO DH-2.
MA2 is for motorcycle, 4 cycle, wet clutch applications. From JASO web site: JASO T 903 is classified into four grade types, MA, MA1, MA2, and MB, according to the test result based on the above-mentioned JASO clutch system friction test.”
The DH-2 is for heavy duty diesel trucks and busses. From JASO web site: “the DH-2 and DH-2F classification has been specified for heavy duty uses on trucks/buses.”
So what is obvious to me is that the Delo above is not rated for motorcycles and its use in my Syder could quite possibly void the warranty.
T6 is rate JASO MA2.
Regards,
Don
I don't see JASO MA2 referenced in the manual I downloaded from BRP.
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Originally Posted by KC61
I don't see JASO MA2 referenced in the manual I downloaded from BRP.
My apologies, I didn’t register the Ryker reference. Mine is a Spyder.
Regards,
Don
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Originally Posted by dondje
Not equivalent!
My manual says JASO MA2. The Delo® 400 XSP SAE 5W-40 application chart says JASO DH-2.
MA2 is for motorcycle, 4 cycle, wet clutch applications. From JASO web site: JASO T 903 is classified into four grade types, MA, MA1, MA2, and MB, according to the test result based on the above-mentioned JASO clutch system friction test.”
The DH-2 is for heavy duty diesel trucks and busses. From JASO web site: “the DH-2 and DH-2F classification has been specified for heavy duty uses on trucks/buses.”
So what is obvious to me is that the Delo above is not rated for motorcycles and its use in my Syder could quite possibly void the warranty.
T6 is rate JASO MA2.
Regards,
Don
The Ryker has a centrifugal clutch, rather than a motorcycle style "wet clutch", so MA2 is not needed.
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Sweet! Saved another $17.50 on the 2.5 gallon jug. I didn't mention but I also had a $20 gift card applied towards the purchase, made my 2.5 gal of T6 cost $8.81 per gallon!
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On sale at Menard's for around $12. Tv ad.
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I got a six pack of Valvoline 5w40 MST Synthetic used in high end sport cars and some diesel engines at Walmart for $42 and filters from BajaRon. Used the Valvoline in my 900cc Spark engine 2 Years and it ran Great. NO need for JASO ratings so it does no good performance wise?
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Originally Posted by jcthorne
What is it you fell the Rotella T6 does not meet? It has a long history in Spyders and motorcycles in general with great service record.
the newest version that meets the new spec,s for emissions in diesels isn!t wet clutch compatible anymore
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Originally Posted by r1100rider
the newest version that meets the new spec,s for emissions in diesels isn!t wet clutch compatible anymore
Doesn't matter; Rykers have a dry clutch.
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Originally Posted by Aufgeblassen47
Doesn't matter; Rykers have a dry clutch.
I does for all the other spyders tho it was nice to have one reasonably priced synthetic oil that would work in my bikes and everything else too
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Originally Posted by r1100rider
the newest version that meets the new spec,s for emissions in diesels isn!t wet clutch compatible anymore
Not true. Reach out to Shell and they will send you the latest spec sheet and verify current formulation is still JASO MA2 rated. I have posted the spec sheet here on SL but you can verify for your self.
Its shown about 3/4 down the page under OEM specifications:
https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/prod...synthetic.html
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Originally Posted by r1100rider
I does for all the other spyders tho it was nice to have one reasonably priced synthetic oil that would work in my bikes and everything else too
But this is the RYKER section.
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Originally Posted by Aufgeblassen47
But this is the RYKER section.
Perhaps that doesn't matter when the forum is on spyderlovers.com?
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Originally Posted by mikeyuberalles
Perhaps that doesn't matter when the forum is on spyderlovers.com?
All Spyder! All the time! Alright!
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But the topic is the Ryker clutch. So yes, it matters!
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Originally Posted by Aufgeblassen47
But the topic is the Ryker clutch. So yes, it matters!
I'm pretty sure the topic is "Rotella t6" which is what James and others responded to.
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Originally Posted by nhoj
I'm pretty sure the topic is "Rotella t6" which is what James and others responded to.
My bad! - I guess I painted my way into a corner!
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Not trying to hijack here, but I ran Mobil diesel oil in my vtx and changed oil once a rear - I got smoother shifts and a much quieter engine. I had 76,000 miles on one of them with no issues when I sold it.
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I think some of the confusion may come from the owners manual that recommend JASO MA2 engine oil, which IMO, is not needed in an engine with a separate clutch and trans compartment. JMHO cueman
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Originally Posted by cueman
I think some of the confusion may come from the owners manual that recommend JASO MA2 engine oil, which IMO, is not needed in an engine with a separate clutch and trans compartment. JMHO cueman
That would be confusing because that's not what the owners manual says
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That was a great price at Menard's. I picked up two gallons and turned in the rebate. $40-7 = $33 for 2 oil changes with really good synthetic. That's a good value in my book. Now have to put on some miles, so that I need to do an oil change C'mon WI summertime!!!
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Originally Posted by WisconsinDavid
That was a great price at Menard's. I picked up two gallons and turned in the rebate. $40-7 = $33 for 2 oil changes with really good synthetic. That's a good value in my book. Now have to put on some miles, so that I need to do an oil change C'mon WI summertime!!!
I pay more for dino oil for my truck. chuckle. I didn't read rebate closely, you have to buy 2 gal?
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No... rebate is offered on 1 gallon. But at the sale price, bought two anyways. Rebate is limited to 1 gallon, $7 off. Sorry for confusion, should have made that clear... my bad. Isn't the first and won't be the last
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Originally Posted by KC61
That would be confusing because that's not what the owners manual says
KC61, what do you disagree with??
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Originally Posted by cueman
KC61, what do you disagree with??
Nowhere in the owners manual for the Ryker does it call for JASO MA2
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