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    I questioned the service dept at World Of Power Sports in Peoria about this on 1/18/23. I was told that a fix is not yet available and when it was BRP didn't cover the cost. I called BRP on 1/19/23 and was told a temporary fix which is replacing bolts is available but new sprockets are not yet and BRP will cover the expense. I feel like I may be getting some run around on this by who I'm not sure. Guess I'll just go back to riding when it warms up. Jerry (Coke) Cokel

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    Quote Originally Posted by guzzihack View Post
    I questioned the service dept at World Of Power Sports in Peoria about this on 1/18/23. I was told that a fix is not yet available and when it was BRP didn't cover the cost. I called BRP on 1/19/23 and was told a temporary fix which is replacing bolts is available but new sprockets are not yet and BRP will cover the expense. I feel like I may be getting some run around on this by who I'm not sure. Guess I'll just go back to riding when it warms up. Jerry (Coke) Cokel
    You are certainly getting the run around, Jerry. Many riders have already reported having the new, silver, two piece permanent sprocket fix installed under recall. I’d be a bit worried about that dealer’s competency.

    I certainly don’t understand what that BRP person told you. Fix Sprockets are indeed available and have been installed over the last month. Looks like BRP are keeping customers AND their own support staff in the dark. Not that that is unusual.

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    I have a copy of the Warranty Bulletin #2019-10 rev 1 September29,2022
    Required parts, front sprocket kit, (includes washer)219800553 needed 1
    listed as screw 250001017 needed 1
    use loctite 609 or 603 torque to 111 lbf-ft +-4
    No cure time listed.

    T.P.

    Just an update, XPS pulley flange cleaner and a soft brush to clean splines
    and take off parts are to be trashed.
    Last edited by T.P.; 01-21-2023 at 04:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.P. View Post
    I have a copy of the Warranty Bulletin #2019-10 rev 1 September29,2022
    Required parts, front sprocket kit, (includes washer)219800553 needed 1
    listed as screw 250001017 needed 1
    use loctite 609 or 603 torque to 111 lbf-ft +-4
    No cure time listed.

    T.P.
    Interesting, T.P. , thanks………so if there is a later issue attributed to the Loctite breaking down and causing sprocket issues due to it not being given cure time, the dealer will say “hey BRP, you didn’t give us instruction to let it cure”, and BRP will say “it was your responsibility to follow the Loctite installation instructions”…..sorry, but I just can’t help being cynical whenever BRP customer focus comes into the equation

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    Im just a newbie to Spyders, but I have read on here from those in the know, that too many folks keep their belt tension way too high. As I just said, Im very new to the Spyder world but thinking back on my two wheel days, a properly asjusted motorcycle chain would have a slight sag along the top. Belts, such as our Spyders should be tight enough that theres no sagging. Mine is 140 pounds, according to my Krikit. It doesnt skip at all. 25k miles and all is well. Im not claiming to be a know-it-all. Really Im not. But how are you guys with F3s wearing out your sprockets already? Are they made from pressed aluminum foil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaniBoy View Post
    I’m just a newbie to Spyders, but I have read on here from those in the know, that too many folks keep their belt tension way too high. As I just said, I’m very new to the Spyder world but thinking back on my two wheel days, a properly asjusted motorcycle chain would have a slight sag along the top. Belts, such as our Spyders should be tight enough that there’s no sagging. Mine is 140 pounds, according to my Krikit. It doesn’t skip at all. 25k miles and all is well. I’m not claiming to be a know-it-all. Really I’m not. But how are you guys with F3’s wearing out your sprockets already? Are they made from pressed aluminum foil?
    It could well be that tight sprocket tension plays a part, DaniBoy, but there are a serious number of Spyder riders out there who have never adjusted their belt tension from factory recommended (tight) specs, and who have never had an issues with their sprockets in many, many thousands of miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaniBoy View Post
    But how are you guys with F3’s wearing out your sprockets already? Are they made from pressed aluminum foil?
    It's not just F3s. RTs are affected also. Belt tension apparently has nothing to with the sprocket fretting, or if it does it is such a small contributor that it's negligible. BRP hasn't said what they have determined the cause to be, if they really have. But I believe it has to with rotational vibration, i.e. the engine crankshaft has a minute amount of speeding up and slowing down as the the pistons get pushed down by the combustion explosion and then held back by the compression stroke. This rotational vibration from the engine is probably aggravated and amplified by the minute amount of slack in the transmission gears. If there is any amount of gap between the splines of the transmission output shaft and the splines of the sprocket there is ever so tiny bit of rotational movement between the shaft and sprocket. This tiny bit of movement eventually adds up to a noticeable amount of movement causing red metal dust to be generated and causing the splines of the sprocket to wear away.

    The only thing we can be fairly sure of is the sprocket material is softer than the output shaft allowing the sprocket to wear preferentially. Why the 2014 sprockets, on the whole, have not experienced fretting is a huge unknown to the forum members. If BRP knows they ain't saying.

    It's also a mystery why some ryders experience sprocket fretting and others do not even when their Spyders are the same year and model. And again, if BRP knows, they ain't saying. Maybe manufacturing tolerances are involved, i.e. parts made to the high side of the specified tolerance range actually act differently than those at the low side of the range.

    If BRP had determined belt tension to be a contributor then the repair procedure would include specifications for a revised belt tension requirement.

    So, to answer your question, we do not know the why and how!
    Last edited by IdahoMtnSpyder; 01-21-2023 at 09:20 PM. Reason: added last three sentences,

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaniBoy View Post
    I’m just a newbie to Spyders, but I have read on here from those in the know, that too many folks keep their belt tension way too high. As I just said, I’m very new to the Spyder world but thinking back on my two wheel days, a properly asjusted motorcycle chain would have a slight sag along the top. Belts, such as our Spyders should be tight enough that there’s no sagging. Mine is 140 pounds, according to my Krikit. It doesn’t skip at all. 25k miles and all is well. I’m not claiming to be a know-it-all. Really I’m not. But how are you guys with F3’s wearing out your sprockets already? Are they made from pressed aluminum foil?
    The orig. excessive belt tension caused BEARING failures ..... after BRP figuered this out they lowered the Tension and that problem went away for the most part. .... I don't think the belt tension has anything to do with the Sprocket failures. They weren't failing from 08 thru 14 ..... 15 & up have had issues. .... Either BRP changed something or some of the suppliers are screwing with the sprockets they are making .... JMHO .... Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    But I believe it has to with rotational vibration, i.e. the engine crankshaft has a minute amount of speeding up and slowing down as the the pistons get pushed down by the combustion explosion and then held back by the compression stroke.!
    I agree with your assessment about crankshaft rotational speed variations. In fact these minute speed changes are how modern car computers can detect the misfiring in any one cylinder. Depending on the manufacturing tolerances on the pulley splines, fretting may or may not occur. Adding Locktite should fill in any clearance between the pulley and shaft splines, BUT only if you let it cure and harden before driving it!!
    BRP may have also changed the material or maybe the heat treatment on the pulleys.
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    Called into the dealership for my 75k service and they are fitting my new sprocket. Given i was told I'd probably have to wait till Mar/April I am happy. Just hope the new one is actually better that the old ... now about the headlights
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    Does anyone know what years are involved in the sprocket recall? What models, RT or F3 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by locomotion40 View Post
    Does anyone know what years are involved in the sprocket recall? What models, RT or F3 ?
    2015 to 2020 ..... I think ..... Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by locomotion40 View Post
    Does anyone know what years are involved in the sprocket recall? What models, RT or F3 ?
    If you're wondering if your Spyder is affected check your VIN here. https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/us/en...okup-list.html

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    MidSouth Motorsports in Clarksville, Tn. ordered mine by VIN. It took about a week to get. Replaced while I waited. 2017 RTL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911 View Post
    2015 to 2020 ..... I think ..... Mike
    Just for your info, Mike……they did not include any of the new model RT (‘20 +) in the current recall…….but I’m sure they will get a call at some stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peteoz View Post
    Just for your info, Mike……they did not include any of the new model RT (‘20 +) in the current recall…….but I’m sure they will get a call at some stage.

    Pete
    Probably, since the sprocket part number is the same for all RTs (I didn't check F3s) from 2015 to 2022. The part number changed from 2014 to 2015 and again from 2022 to 2023.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    Probably, since the sprocket part number is the same for all RTs (I didn't check F3s) from 2015 to 2022. The part number changed from 2014 to 2015 and again from 2022 to 2023.
    Now, I am just speculating here and don't really know the skinny, but consider this: Later years of manufacture of the same part number could be improved because of an Engineering Change due to discovering a problem and correcting it at some point. Subsequent production would not suffer that particular problem, right? ECs happen all the time, and some would not necessarily cause the part number to change.

    Just food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by missouriboy View Post
    Now, I am just speculating here and don't really know the skinny, but consider this: Later years of manufacture of the same part number could be improved because of an Engineering Change due to discovering a problem and correcting it at some point. Subsequent production would not suffer that particular problem, right? ECs happen all the time, and some would not necessarily cause the part number to change.

    Just food for thought.
    Missouriboy, BRP created a new part number when they released the sprocket which they painted white to address the whistling in the ‘20 RT models. If they had changed “anything” on the original sprocket, they would give it a new part number. If they didn’t give it a new number, how would you know that you weren’t simply buy an older, weak sprocket that a dealer had lying in their back room for years?

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    Highway pegs bolted under floorboards.
    Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
    Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round (setting 2 of 4 for pothole smoothing with improved handling)
    Russell Daylong seat 2 taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
    Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2 ground clearance.
    2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.P. View Post
    I have a copy of the Warranty Bulletin #2019-10 rev 1 September29,2022
    Required parts, front sprocket kit, (includes washer)219800553 needed 1
    listed as screw 250001017 needed 1
    use loctite 609 or 603 torque to 111 lbf-ft +-4
    No cure time listed.

    T.P.

    Just an update, XPS pulley flange cleaner and a soft brush to clean splines
    and take off parts are to be trashed.
    Any chance you can post the Warranty Bulletin? I for one would be interested to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguyinTX View Post
    Any chance you can post the Warranty Bulletin? I for one would be interested to see it.
    NO, It's a controled document that I had to promise That I would not post.
    I posted my take from that info, You have the doc #'s above, ask your dealer.
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    Got it. I had a similar experience in that I had to sign an NDA with a motorcycle company who can't be named regarding a number of problems I had with one of their 2013 models.
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    On Tuesday, Jan 24, reported for sprocket replacement at 11:00 AM. Done and out at 11:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peteoz View Post
    Missouriboy, BRP created a new part number when they released the sprocket which they painted white to address the whistling in the ‘20 RT models. If they had changed “anything” on the original sprocket, they would give it a new part number. If they didn’t give it a new number, how would you know that you weren’t simply buy an older, weak sprocket that a dealer had lying in their back room for years?

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    I was responding to a post (quoted) that implied the part number was NOT changed. And I suggested an EC that does NOT change the product, only the manufacturing process that creates the product.
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    Riken Raptor HR.........rear tire (at 114,200 miles)
    Vredestein Quatrac 5 front tires (at 70,500 miles, first new fronts!)
    Gear Brake Decelerometer Module

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    I have an appt Apr 4th 9 am to get sprocket fix and Baja Ron Sway bar installed 8) In Barrie Ontario
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    The high pitched whine was so annoying it took all the fun out of riding, so we just ordered the sprockets and bolts last year as it was going to be very inconvenient to take a full Saturday in order to complete the warranty replacement. No regrets, it was money well spent and I was able to properly adjust the drive belt tension & alignment.
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