Who Out There Has Gotten The Replacement Sprocket?

[Peteoz]

I’m sure you won’t get “moderated” Cobwebs.

It would be interesting to know if BRP are including the instruction to allow the Loctite to set, and dealers mechs are ignoring it, or if the dealer mechs are simply not reading the “instructions on the packet”, and not suggesting to customers that they let the repair cure in the workshop overnight…..it’s your call, Mr/Mrs Customer, but we recommend allowing it to cure. Allowing it to cure overnight would not affect the 45 minutes BRP have allowed the dealer to perform the warranty fix.

I know one thing for sure. I will be booking in overnight if I have to drop my RT in for the “fix” (probably riding it to the nearby hotel/motel to sit overnight.)

Pete

[Cobwebs]

When I called up my dealer they told me that, when the recall has finished in the States they will be issuing the recall in Australia. As there is currently not enough sprockets for supply.

Logic would be, seeing as it's a safety issue that the highest mileage units should be replaced first but it seems dealers with the highest sales get preference. Zero $%#!s given by BRP.

[Little Blue]

... I called my Spyder Dealer and ask about the front sprocket replacement. They are now scheduling on a weekly basis. Sooooooo if a sprocket update kit comes in they will call me. I still have a waiting time, but hopefully it will be done by April. ....

[Cobwebs]

I’m sure you won’t get “moderated” Cobwebs.

It would be interesting to know if BRP are including the instruction to allow the Loctite to set, and dealers mechs are ignoring it, or if the dealer mechs are simply not reading the “instructions on the packet”, and not suggesting to customers that they let the repair cure in the workshop overnight…..it’s your call, Mr/Mrs Customer, but we recommend allowing it to cure. Allowing it to cure overnight would not affect the 45 minutes BRP have allowed the dealer to perform the warranty fix.

I know one thing for sure. I will be booking in overnight if I have to drop my RT in for the “fix” (probably riding it to the nearby hotel/motel to sit overnight.)

Pete

Hope your right Pete but you never know, when I get on a roll .....................
Without the curing it's a pointless exercise given there's been no definitive statement from BRP about the metallurgy being incorrect on the original sprockets and whether the replacements are an actual improvement if so. The very fact that the replacement needs loctite sort of points to the cheapest fix they could come up with along with a $1 washer and quick cnc skimming.
Last time I looked I couldn't find a dealer that doesn't have a pick up and delivery van and if BRP has to cough up the bill for that to swing into action for all customers that require it that's how it should be. After all safety is BRP's highest priority bla bla bla...............
If I were a dealer I'd be very wary of shortcutting because you might be setting yourself up for a world of litigious hurt that BRP will absolve themselves of leaving you to duke it out on your own not to mention your own reputation as a trusted source for further work.

[missouriboy]

I got my first inspection yesterday (Friday the 13th!) and was told they aren't even replacing sprockets unless needed. If needed, they will order one and will call me back when my turn comes in the (long) backorder wait list.

Mine wasn't too bad, even for my high mileage, but WAS serviced and WILL be replaced, so my replacement is on-order. They estimated receipt sometime in March at the earliest. Meanwhile, the sprocket doesn't look to be at high risk of failure, so go ahead and ride, but try not to abuse it (which I don't anyway...).

And my winter-filthy Spidey got a nice freebie wash job!

[Elembytes]

I just got my replacement sprocket put on today. The dealer I took it too, had 1 in stock and I was able to get it and it's the permanent fix. So am thankful for that.

[Knizar]

I just got my replacement sprocket put on today. The dealer I took it too, had 1 in stock and I was able to get it and it's the permanent fix. So am thankful for that.

We all that you're right! Time and miles will tell, let me know in 100K how it's standing up. A little early for them to call it "The Final Fix". Good Luck Bill

[ulflyer]

I’m sure you won’t get “moderated” Cobwebs.

It would be interesting to know if BRP are including the instruction to allow the Loctite to set, and dealers mechs are ignoring it, or if the dealer mechs are simply not reading the “instructions on the packet”, and not suggesting to customers that they let the repair cure in the workshop overnight…..it’s your call, Mr/Mrs Customer, but we recommend allowing it to cure. Allowing it to cure overnight would not affect the 45 minutes BRP have allowed the dealer to perform the warranty fix.

I know one thing for sure. I will be booking in overnight if I have to drop my RT in for the “fix” (probably riding it to the nearby hotel/motel to sit overnight.)

Pete

Has anyone seen the BRP instruction, and if so, exactly what does it say about curing?

[Cobwebs]

Has anyone seen the BRP instruction, and if so, exactly what does it say about curing?

Techs get zonked for releasing information like that.
Scroll to 6.30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIu2lzLTe28&t=391s
Various times shown for full cure dependant on material - http://tds.henkel.com/tds5/Studio/Sh...uthorization=2

[Gwolf]

Techs get zonked for releasing information like that.
Scroll to 6.30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIu2lzLTe28&t=391s
Various times shown for full cure dependant on material - http://tds.henkel.com/tds5/Studio/Sh...uthorization=2

BRP might not release that type of information, but it is pretty good bet that you can get the most accurate information from Loctite. Probably just look up the instructions on the web. If not, you can be sure the Loctite Corp website has the correct information available. They may even have a recommendation for type to use for securing splined gears. Locktite should have a vested interest in having satisfied customers that will continue to buy their products. BRP should have an interest too, but they also have an interest in keeping dealerships in business. Follow the Deniro!

[ulflyer]

After reading Loctite charts about how much time it takes the 609 to set up, it looks to me, like 6 hours is about the minimum recommended. Maybe i'm reading it wrong, but at any rate its clear the Loctite should be allowed to harden thoroughly.

I had about 20 minutes on mine!

If I thought I could remove my belt I'd be tempted to pull the sprocket and do it right, but I'd use 648 which looks to me like the better one.

[Little Blue]

.... I am being told that two Kits are coming in February. One of the Kits supposedly 'has my name' is for me.
Time will tell. Hoping for some very GOOOOOOD news. .........

[Peteoz]

After reading Loctite charts about how much time it takes the 609 to set up, it looks to me, like 6 hours is about the minimum recommended. Maybe i'm reading it wrong, but at any rate its clear the Loctite should be allowed to harden thoroughly.

I had about 20 minutes on mine!

If I thought I could remove my belt I'd be tempted to pull the sprocket and do it right, but I'd use 648 which looks to me like the better one.

…….the only rider on that is that Lamonster believe that if you ride carefully, for a shortish distance to home, and then leave it to fully cure, there should not be an issue, Ulf

Pete

[Cobwebs]

…….the only rider on that is that Lamonster believe that if you ride carefully, for a shortish distance to home, and then leave it to fully cure, there should not be an issue, Ulf

Pete

I think that is the sort of advice that Shawn Smoak alludes to of being careful about from a litigation point of view.In other words if the repair isn't followed to the letter and a problem arises the heavies will have your ass for breakfast.

[ulflyer]

I think that is the sort of advice that Shawn Smoak alludes to of being careful about from a litigation point of view.In other words if the repair isn't followed to the letter and a problem arises the heavies will have your ass for breakfast.

You might be right, but if you're told "you're good to go" immediately after installation, I believe I'm covered if there is a problem in the future.

[Peteoz]

You might be right, but if you're told "you're good to go" immediately after installation, I believe I'm covered if there is a problem in the future.

Yeah, YOU are probably “covered”, Ulf, but your Spyder will be off the road for quite a while if the new sprocket fails, while BRP and the Dealer argue over who is responsible and should wear the cost. BRP might be able to drag that out for years

Pete

[ulflyer]

Pete: good point. I know the mechanic well enough to ask him to save me a good used one (assuming they are tossing them out) for backup purposes.

[Cobwebs]

You might be right, but if you're told "you're good to go" immediately after installation, I believe I'm covered if there is a problem in the future.

As long as that problem isn't a box full of neutrals just as the semi flattens the bejezus out of you because the job was done incorrectly.
The whole point of the recall is for safety. Someone must have been killed or injured to set the whole process in motion. If it was just a complaint about the quality of fit or longevity they (BRP) would say it's a consumable just like the belts, spark plugs, tyres, etc. Look at the bitching about Kenda's that goes on but have we been contacted to have them replaced free of charge.
IF the dealers are told to do it a certain way and they cut corners isn't that the same as BRP not even acknowledging there's a problem, so they are worse than BRP from a safety point of view if that's their advice.
AS for saving your used sprocket for a backup, would you fit a worn-out Kenda as a backup? If you fit the sprocket down the track for whatever reason, you would pretty much be admitting you're not overly concerned for your safety, so why even bother getting the replacement now?

[jaherbst]

What years and model for the sprocket replacement? Mine is a 2014 RT Limited. Have not received anything or notice from factory.

Jack

[Peter Aawen]

Pete: good point. I know the mechanic well enough to ask him to save me a good used one (assuming they are tossing them out) for backup purposes.

I would think that they're meant to be sending them back to BRP as part of the recall.... That's the usual requirement, at least it is here in Oz...

Still, as Cobwebs mentioned, is it really such a great idea to even think about replacing a 'new but now has also failed' sprocket with a 'so defective that it was subject to an officially mandated safety recall' sprocket that's been taken off your Spyder cos it wasn't up to doing its job safely/reliably anymore??

You'd REALLY wanta hope that nothing goes wrong/you don't have a prang if you do, cos YOU deciding to do that could have all sorts of legal ramifications, none of them boding well for you, but likely welcomed gladly by anyone looking for ways to get out of an insurance payout, or worse, seeking redress for any damages/injuries/deaths that might be even remotely argued you contributed towards causing!

Just Sayin'

[Peter Aawen]

What years and model for the sprocket replacement? Mine is a 2014 RT Limited. Have not received anything or notice from factory.

Jack

It's all in here Jack:

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...procket+recall

[ulflyer]

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AS for saving your used sprocket for a backup, would you fit a worn-out Kenda as a backup? If you fit the sprocket down the track for whatever reason, you would pretty much be admitting you're not overly concerned for your safety, so why even bother getting the replacement now?

Cobwebs, with over 60 years of riding, I think I'm qualified to determine what is safe for me; that's not your call. The point of having a good used one, is to not be stuck in the boonies, or elsewhere, until I can get a new one. Also, don't see the correlation of a "worn out Kenda" to my old sprocket which was still solid!

[Cobwebs]

Cobwebs, with over 60 years of riding, I think I'm qualified to determine what is safe for me; that's not your call. The point of having a good used one, is to not be stuck in the boonies, or elsewhere, until I can get a new one. Also, don't see the correlation of a "worn out Kenda" to my old sprocket which was still solid!

BRP think the sprockets aren't safe yet you let them and your dealer determine your fate. I'm merely pointing out the riskiness of your plan should it backfire on you.Enjoy lugging a spare and the tools needed everywhere you go.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

What years and model for the sprocket replacement? Mine is a 2014 RT Limited. Have not received anything or notice from factory.

Jack

2014s are not part of the recall. The big mystery that no one, at least no one here on the forum, has learned the answer to is what changed from 2014 to 2015 to cause the fretting problem to crop up. Was it a material change, a slight manufacturing change, or something else?

[Little Blue]

Mystery???

2014s are not part of the recall. The big mystery that no one, at least no one here on the forum, has learned the answer to is what changed from 2014 to 2015 to cause the fretting problem to crop up. Was it a material change, a slight manufacturing change, or something else?

I guess we will never know that answer. BUT we all can make a guess or TWO...

1. Trying to save a Nickel?
2. A Nickle Saved is a lot of $$$$.

Have Blessed Day. .... ....