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    Default Spyder Accessories - is the trailer harness plug&play?

    So I bought the trailer hitch with plug&play harness. Video shows simple plug and play, all is well. But the plug I received has an extra orange wire tapped into the harness. Not going to turn the key on till I hear from Pierre.
    Looks like the powered converter changed brands from what's in the video.
    It's a 21 f3s

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    https://www.tekonsha.com/product-ass...ll/N119147.pdf
    The wire in question is black coming out of the converter, it splices to orange to the harness and that's the orange you see coiled up.
    The installation instructions don't even mention a black wire. Black is usually ground isn't it?

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    I have the same trailer harness on my '20 F3S. I called Pierre about the orange wire and it goes to +12V connection. I used the accessory connection under the passenger seat.
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    Thanks for the reply. I tried to call but my Walmart phone wouldn't allow international calls.
    So im wondering why I would want to send 12 volts into the bikes harness when it didn't have 12 volts on that wire before.
    I'm going to snip the black and only send 12 volts into the converter and see what that does first.

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    The little box pulls signal voltage from the bikes lighting system. It then uses the 12 volt power lead as a supply voltage to the trailer lights, etc. that it has to run. That way the CAN BUS system does not see any changes and remains happy.
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    EdMat Yes I get that. But what I didn't communicate to you properly is, it's sold as a plug and play but needs spliced. To send 12 volts into a wire that didn't previously have 12 volts may disrupt the canbus system you speak of.
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    Exclamation Plug-and-Play is the buyer's fantasy

    It ain't clear why expectations aren't matching actuality. The Tekonshar ModuLite® HD Protector Trailer Light Power Module p/n 119147 webpage https://www.tekonsha.com/Product/119...cation-content clearly shows four wire taps in the parts list.
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    Additionally the informative website provides a tab listing the eight tools needed including wire crimpers and wire cutters. Plug-and-Play doesn't appear in the product description and appears to be a fantasy of the buyer. I suggest a restart based on the actuality of the product accompanied by the appropriate Spyder service manual with a wiring diagram.
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    Lightbulb Trailer wiring color codes

    Trailer-side wiring takes its color codes from residential wiring where White is Neutral (Ground) and Black is Line (Hot).

    The color codes on both sides of the 119147 are nicely matched:

    Color 4-Pin Spyder
    White Ground Ground
    Yellow LT/Brake LT
    Green RT/Brake RT
    Brown Tail Tail
    Red n/a Brake
    Black n/a RFB F4 10A*

    * Trailer power, at least on a 2014 RT-S.

    I believe the Orange wire is just an artifact of the splice; the color has no meaning.
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    Thanks for the help. It's frustrating to spend $500 on a plug and play harness and hitch, and get 0 help from them. https://www.canamspyderaccessories.com/
    It was so temping to contact Visa and cancel payment until I got help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoginedgewood View Post
    Thanks for the help. It's frustrating to spend $500 on a plug and play harness and hitch, and get 0 help from them. https://www.canamspyderaccessories.com/
    It was so temping to contact Visa and cancel payment until I got help.
    Or find a phone that will call out of state!! Sorry!!!
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    Yeah it's my fault he didn't send directions, update the video or answer multiple emails.

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    Lightbulb A test, some explanation and a question

    Here's a quick test: the White (Ground) wires should be an 119147 pass-through. Therefore an ohmmeter should show continuity between the 4-Pin and Spyder White wires. If it doesn't, then my wiring codes table is wrong.

    The 119147 uses the Spyder LT, RT, Brake and Tail circuits as Signals to control the RFB F4 power to the 4-Pin trailer connector. Imagine three ISO relays with pins 85 connected to White (Ground) and pins 30 to Black (Hot). The Spyder LT, RT and Tail are separately connected to pins 86 and the matching 4-Pin LT/Brake, RT/Brake and Tail are separately connected to pins 87. The Spyder Brake is connected, via two diodes, to pins 86 of the LT and RT relays.

    By only using the Spyder LT, RT, Brake and Tail circuits as Signals, these imaginary relays (realized electronically in the 119147) ensure any shorts or other issues in the trailer-side wiring do not damage the expensive Spyder electronics or introduce current loads that trigger hyper-flashing, etc.

    What trailer are you using?
    Last edited by BertRemington; Today at 10:47 AM. Reason: misplaced "connected"
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    Lightbulb Thanks to CASA link I understand your Plug&Play expectation

    Hoginedgewood -- I went to the CASA link you provided (thanks) and now understand your disappointment. The Spyder-side harness is definitely offered as Plug-and-Play. And the pictures in the CASA description show a P&P design without any unterminated Orange wires. And there is no parts list showing the wire tap needed for a non-P&P design.

    In my 2014 RT-S Owner Manual "How to Replace Fuses and Lights" F4 in the RFB is identified as Trailer Module. Do you have such a fuse position?

    If not, then a P&P solution isn't possible for your F3 and you will have to tap into DC plugs power. It's a bit complicated. Trailer Module power is Always-On to comply with the vehicle rule that mandates the trailer brake lights are activated whenever the Spyder brake pedal is pushed. If you wish to comply with this rule, then the DC plug VBAT fuse position must be used. If not, then the DC plug VKEY fuse position may be used.

    If there is such a fuse position, then is the Black wire from the 119147 connected to the P&P connector, specifically the plug that mates to the Spyder's socket?

    If it is, then insert a 10amp fuse the Trailer Module position and, without turning on the ignition, press the brake pedal. You should observe 12V on the 4-Pin Green and Yellow wires. And the Orange wire is an extraneous artifact intended for some other purpose.

    If it isn't, you're back to tapping the Black+Orange wire into the DC plug circuit.
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