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    I have a 2020 RT L and my wife and I would like to add communication to our helmets. We have Shoei Neotec 2 helmets (modular). We are not interested in connecting to BRP. We will only be communicating with each other listening to music on bluetooth phone. I have read Sena is a good choice but for every good review there is also a bad one lol. Also I have read that if your doing what we want to do you should get them "paired". I have no idea what that means. Any help or recommendations would be appreciated. I did a search and didn't find anything particular to modular helmets

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    I like Sena and wife and I use them. When they say pair them that is done by pushing a button on each head set at the same time and you will see the light on them change color, that will mean they are paired. easy as that. The Sena 50s come in sets and top of the line head set, if you can that would be what I recommend buy once and be done. https://www.sena.com/product/50s
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    Since you have Shoei Neotec 2 Helmets which were designed to be used with the Sena SRL2 Bluetooth intercom systems and have "pockets" into which the SRL2 devices are installed, IMO you should contact Motorcycle Dave, a SL sponsor, to get "from the horse's mouth" information about the SRL2 before you consider purchasing other Bluetooth communication devices that must be externally attached to the Neotec 2 helmets.
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    Shoei has a Sena unit that is customized to fit neatly into the Neotec 2. After cobbling up an installation of a J&M wired helmet headset into my Neotec 2 I would recommend you first take a hard look at the Shoei unit. Then you can look to see if other units can be made to fit as good as the Shoei version.

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    I have a Shoei Neotech 2 aswell as the Neotech 2 specific SRL. The SRL is Sena based. One of the issues with the Neotech 2 is that it's made specifically for the SRL. This makes if very difficult to mount anything other than the proprietary SRL to the helmet. I've also got a Cardo Packtalk Slim. I think the Cardo is a touch better but there's no way to mount that to the Neotech 2 without hacking up the helmet. With that said, I really like the SRL. The SRL doesn't have the MESH system like some of the newer Senas and Cardos (for longer range intercom communication) but I don't use the intercom. I use the SRL 99% of the time to listen to music from the bike.

    The SRL isn't cheap and you either need to get the correct one for your helmet (more in a second) or you need to make a slight (and very easy) modification to the helmet liner. The SRL retails for about $300. You can get an equivalent Cardo for about $100 less but it won't be integrated meaning it won't look as nice, it will weigh more and it will cause some wind noise.

    There are (2) different versions of the SRL, the SRL and the SRL 2. The SRL 2 is made to mount to a later Neotech 2 build date (Feb, 2019/2020?, I can't remember). It's also meant to mount to the equivalent Shoei full face helmet. The ONLY difference in the 2 is that the original SRL has a hardwired boom mike whereas the SRL 2 has a choice of either a boom mike or a stick on mike (for the full face). Because of this, there's a small plug just in front of the right speaker. The older (which is a relative term in this case) Neotech 2 has the inner liner shaped for just the wire for the boom mike and the newer Neotech 2 has a slightly larger cutout to accomodate that plug. This tiny area (probably 1/2" long by 1/2" wide) would need to be cut out of an early helmet to accomodate the SRL 2. I did just this and it took me about 30 seconds. I only say this in case you have an early helmet and somehow get an SRL 2.

    Bottom line, I like the Shoei Neotech 2 so much, it wouldn't matter what I had to do to get the SRL to work (although it works seamlessly). I love the SRL and find it easy to hear. On the few occasions when I get a phone call, the other party says they can hear me well, too. If I had to do it again, I'd get the SRL (or SRL 2) for the Neotech 2. You won't regret it.

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    I bought the "Cardo pack talk bold duo" head set for me and the wife. They come two to a box.They came paired to each other already .They were easy to set up on the helmets and have JBL speakers . We have had these for about 7 months now They come with DMC and Bluetooth capabilities . They are easy to Bluetooth to your phone and sound clear. The DMC mode is for communication with multiple riders in a group if you like to ride with a group . I would recommend these to anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    Since you have Shoei Neotec 2 Helmets which were designed to be used with the Sena SRL2 Bluetooth intercom systems and have "pockets" into which the SRL2 devices are installed, IMO you should contact Motorcycle Dave, a SL sponsor, to get "from the horse's mouth" information about the SRL2 before you consider purchasing other Bluetooth communication devices that must be externally attached to the Neotec 2 helmets.
    I do agree if you have the model made with the area for the Sena SRL2 then yes do get the SRL2, but if you have the older model Shoei Neotec2 without the area for the SRL2 then the Sena 50s. I was looking at the older model of the helmet when I posted the first time.
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    Over the years, we have used three different brands of communicators. Our favorite brand is the Sena. We are currently using Bell Mag/9 Sena helmets. The Sena units are built in to the Bell helmets, so no worry about installation by clamps.

    We get up to four blocks direct line communication. Very sufficient for our bike to bike communication with each other.

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    I apologize for my mistake. I was not aware there was a version of the Neotec 2 that did not come with the compartments for the SRL2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperSpyder View Post
    I do agree if you have the model made with the area for the Sena SRL2 then yes do get the SRL2, but if you have the older model Shoei Neotec2 without the area for the SRL2 then the Sena 50s. I was looking at the older model of the helmet when I posted the first time.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    I apologize for my mistake. I was not aware there was a version of the Neotec 2 that did not come with the compartments for the SRL2.
    As I previously noted, it's EASY to modify an earlier Neotech 2 to utilize the SRL2. All you have to do is cut out a 1/2"x1/2" piece of plastic. If you have an earlier Neotech 2 and can't find an original SRL, don't let this stop you. The ONLY difference between the SRL and SRL2 is the addition of the optional extra mike (and that connector/plug). Other than that, they're identical in every respect.

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    Fitment to a particular helmet aside; Cardo Pack Talk Bold is a better unit. Sena used to put out some solid comm units but they have not had consistent quality across their product line in recent years.

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    Plus 1 on the Cardo. And they will pair to any other manufacturer's(sena, lexin, uclear, etc.) unit so you can talk to any/everyone in your group. It has two channels, so you can shut off the group talk and just talk to your passenger with the push of a button. App. works seamlessly on my Iphone also.
    Here are some of the Cardo PackTalk BOLD W/JBL Headset features:

    .Cardo partnered with JBL to deliver the best sound quality the market has ever heard.
    .Connect your unit to any Bluetooth headset of any substantial brand.
    .All the music you ever wanted streamed directly from your smartphone. Control, share and experience your favorite tune on the road.
    .Powerful, 40mm-wide, high-definition speakers and specially-tuned audio processor deliver a sound experience like no other.
    .Answer calls, make calls and control your mobile devices with a touch of a finger or the sound of your voice. No one will ever guess you are talking from your ride.
    .Up to 1600 meters (1Mi) in perfect condition, but will get you close to 1000 meters in real life conditions, About twice as much as the competition.
    .Built-in FM Radio with RDS for automatic selection of the strongest signal Ė whether you are in town, or in the middle of nowhere.
    .Merge any Bluetooth intercom with your mesh group conversation. Switch unit from DMC to Bluetooth mode to act as any high-end Bluetooth system.
    .Automatically adjusts your sound volume based on the outside ambient noise. Enjoy Vivaldi at full throttle. Donít get deaf by AC/DC waiting for the lights turn.
    .Sophisticated algorithms make sure that all your audio sources Ė FM radio, music, mobile calls and intercom work together in parallel.
    .Share your play list or favorite radio station with your passenger. Enjoy the vibe together.
    .Get full control through one simple and intuitive app, but donít take our word for it, just download Cardo Connect and find out for yourself.
    .Forgot to charge your unit? Running out of battery? Just plug your unit to a battery pack or your 12V charger and turn your unit on. It will charge while you ride.
    .Long lasting battery ensures your unit is available when you need it.
    .Merge any incoming phone call into the intercom conversation. With call to intercom no friend is ever out of range.
    .Tired of the chatter? Choose just one member of the group and enjoy an intimate conversation.
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    Wife and I use sena 30's in our 3/4 helmets on the bike, and have a set of 10's for our full face sled helmets, they work great for us!! And yes call Dave up and talk to him, he will steer you straight!! Good Luck
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    Plus one on the Packtalk Bold. I've had several Senas, including an old 10, the one made for a Neotec original (forget model), a 20, and now a 30S. I ONLY have a 30S because I have a Harley, and their sound system only works with Harley branded Sena units. The newer Senas are pretty good, no huge complaints, but am nervous in the rain as I've had two headsets and one of the grip controllers die in the rain.

    The Packtalk sounds better (with the JBL), and operated flawlessly. Voice commands worked pretty well. Very easy to use and great battery life. The only downside is if you ride in groups, the Sena is more prevalent so easier to set up group networks.
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    https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/...gaAk5oEALw_wcB

    This guy talks about the Sena intercom in the helmet.
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    I have a pair of Sena 10 s which are very basic units which we used for less than 2 years.They will do exactly what you want and more.The batteries last all day and part of the next day no problem.They have their mounts which are super universal and have in original box with instructions.I have up graded to the 10c camera style and wife bought a new sena outrush helmet which has comm built in.I can sell you the 2 units I have for 150$,let me know but if you want new then you really should call Motorcycledave.com,I have gotten all my stuff from him,he is on CA time and may not be awake yet.
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    The Sena 50S is on par with the Cardo Pactalk. Both have BT and/or Mesh. The 50S comes with similar (large) speakers to the JBLs in the Pactalk. Our riding group has yet to get the Senas and Cardos to work together over Mesh. Both have similar battery life, volume, and range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc McCoy View Post
    I have a 2020 RT L and my wife and I would like to add communication to our helmets. We have Shoei Neotec 2 helmets (modular). We are not interested in connecting to BRP. We will only be communicating with each other listening to music on bluetooth phone. I have read Sena is a good choice but for every good review there is also a bad one lol. Also I have read that if your doing what we want to do you should get them "paired". I have no idea what that means. Any help or recommendations would be appreciated. I did a search and didn't find anything particular to modular helmets
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    Since rider > passenger and music are your major priorities, I wouldn't spend a lot of $$ on the latest and greatest. I have owned (3) different Sena varieties, and they have all been bullet proof. My latest is the Sena 5S, and I really like it. Much improved sound over prior SMH5FM and 10S units. Easy to use and Sena is probably one of the best with firmware upgrades. That said, with your $750 helmets, I wouldn't want to make mods for fitment. The 5S speakers are 40mm diameter, so I'd measure the diameter of your speaker pockets. I doubt depth is an issue, as the new Sena HD speakers are pretty thin. Another thing I like about the 5S is that it has a really small foot print for the device itself. Happy shopping
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    I apologize for my mistake. I was not aware there was a version of the Neotec 2 that did not come with the compartments for the SRL2.
    Both the early and later versions of the Neotech 2 have cut outs for the SRL. Sena updated the SRL (now the SRL2) to accomodate the stick on mick on the full face version. The ONLY difference is a tiny section that needs to be removed on the early lids to accomodate the new plug.

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    With a modular flip up helmet is there any issues with the boom mic getting in the way of the helmet when it flips up or down? Also how can I tell if my helmet is the early or late version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperSpyder View Post
    I like Sena and wife and I use them. When they say pair them that is done by pushing a button on each head set at the same time and you will see the light on them change color, that will mean they are paired. easy as that. The Sena 50s come in sets and top of the line head set, if you can that would be what I recommend buy once and be done. https://www.sena.com/product/50s
    Will the 50s fit in my helmets with no modifications or will I have to do some cutting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperSpyder View Post
    I do agree if you have the model made with the area for the Sena SRL2 then yes do get the SRL2, but if you have the older model Shoei Neotec2 without the area for the SRL2 then the Sena 50s. I was looking at the older model of the helmet when I posted the first time.
    How can I tell which model helmet I have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc McCoy View Post
    With a modular flip up helmet is there any issues with the boom mic getting in the way of the helmet when it flips up or down? Also how can I tell if my helmet is the early or late version?
    Quote Originally Posted by Doc McCoy View Post
    Will the 50s fit in my helmets with no modifications or will I have to do some cutting?
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    How can I tell which model helmet I have?
    Yes and no. If you just pull the chin bar down, then yes. It only takes a second to tuck the mike against your face, close the lid then push it away.

    In all likelihood, you'll have to do some cutting. The channels on the Neotech 2 were made specifically for the SRL/SRL2.

    There's a date tag somewhere in the helmet but I don't remember what date became "late". Or, just in front of the right speaker cutout, see if the channel (for the boom mike cable) is straight or if it's wider next to the speaker cutout. If it's wider, it's a later model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperSpyder View Post
    I do agree if you have the model made with the area for the Sena SRL2 then yes do get the SRL2, but if you have the older model Shoei Neotec2 without the area for the SRL2 then the Sena 50s. I was looking at the older model of the helmet when I posted the first time.
    Again, the SRL and the SRL2 are IDENTICAL other than the addition of the plug to allow the option of either the modular boom mike or the full face stick on mike. The SRL is still available for the early model Neotech 2 helmets.

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