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11-04-2018, 10:11 AM
#101
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Road-Kill
I average 13,000 in the rear Kenda tire and 27,000 on the front Kenda tires.
I experience excellent traction, no flats and thus no reason to risk loss of traction.
If it aint broke don't fix it.
The geniuses on this thread talk mileage and never traction and that tells everything.
Stay with what Can Am mandates and ride safe.
Didn't you argue similarly with the "geniuses" on here about aftermarket swaybars? Just saying.
2016 F3 Limited
2019 Ryker Rally
2014 Suzuki V Strom 650
2020 CSC TT 250
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11-04-2018, 11:12 AM
#102
Very Active Member
Yes, even Road-Kill argued that the chances of the front pulley on his F3 going out were less than 1%. He has had two crater on his now! And he did have to change his tune about Ron’s sway bar after he finally tried one. If he doesn’t want to install car tires on his Spyder it’s his loss. I think he drinks too much BRP kool aide.
2020 F3 Ltd
Spyderpops Bumpskid
Spyderpops Brake/Run/Turn Signal LED's
Lamonster Garage LED Fog Lights and Headlights
2013 ST-S retired 1/9/16 at 25,061 miles
2015 F3S sold at 77,565 miles.
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11-04-2018, 02:10 PM
#103
Very true.
I admit I was wrong.
Originally Posted by Highwayman2013
Didn't you argue similarly with the "geniuses" on here about aftermarket swaybars? Just saying.
Also very true.
I admit I was wrong, but in my defense by adding Rons sway bar I was giving up nothing in the way of safety.
As far as car tires are concerned, I have had no issues with BRP Kenda tires though.
Safety is a huge concern and the only reason I'm not going to play with "car" tires.
Originally Posted by JKMSPYDER
Yes, even Road-Kill argued that the chances of the front pulley on his F3 going out were less than 1%. He has had two crater on his now! And he did have to change his tune about Ron’s sway bar after he finally tried one. If he doesn’t want to install car tires on his Spyder it’s his loss. I think he drinks too much BRP kool aide.
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11-04-2018, 02:35 PM
#104
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Road-Kill
Very true.
I admit I was wrong.
Also very true.
I admit I was wrong, but in my defense by adding Rons sway bar I was giving up nothing in the way of safety.
As far as car tires are concerned, I have had no issues with BRP Kenda tires though.
Safety is a huge concern and the only reason I'm not going to play with "car" tires.
I agree - safety is extremely important to me, and that is why I prefer car tires. They not only provide extended range, lower cost, but more importunely better handling.
But please stick with the Kenda tires, or you maybe coming on here again to admit you were wrong.
2021 Sea To Sky, 2020 RTL
Isn't it weird that in AMERICA our flag and our culture offend so many people......
but our benefits don't?
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11-04-2018, 02:55 PM
#105
Extended range = lower cost (we agree)
Lower cost = obviously lower cost (we also agree)
Better handling = ??????? Braking distance? less grip on the road? slippage while cornering? (we now disagree)
I'm sure a tire with less traction will allow for better turning but only because you are sacrificing..... traction.
3 tires vs 4 tires on a car designed for a vehicle weighing 3-4 times as much? and you think its better?
Originally Posted by PW2013STL
I agree - safety is extremely important to me, and that is why I prefer car tires. They not only provide extended range, lower cost, but more importunely better handling.
But please stick with the Kenda tires, or you maybe coming on here again to admit you were wrong.
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11-04-2018, 03:22 PM
#106
Very Active Member
[QUOTE=Road-Kill;1401029]Extended range = lower cost (we agree)
Lower cost = obviously lower cost (we also agree)
Better handling = ??????? Braking distance? less grip on the road? slippage while cornering? (we now disagree) Where did you get this info from? Not my experience at all
I'm sure a tire with less traction will allow for better turning but only because you are sacrificing..... traction. I have experienced traction on par with, and even better traction than my OEM rear
3 tires vs 4 tires on a car designed for a vehicle weighing 3-4 times as much? and you think its better?[/QUO That's why you run them at a lower pressure
The first time I tried a car tire was with the Kuhmo and it handled so much better that my wife asked if I had changed the suspension. I told her all I did was replace the rear tire.
How can you bash something that you have no experience with?
2021 Sea To Sky, 2020 RTL
Isn't it weird that in AMERICA our flag and our culture offend so many people......
but our benefits don't?
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11-04-2018, 03:43 PM
#107
Everybody here puts something different on their ride.
You car tire enablers cant even agree on what's best.
Until I see a citation from a reliable source on TRACTION I'll stick with my Kendas.
Traction and feel are not the same thing.
[QUOTE=PW2013STL;1401034]
Originally Posted by Road-Kill
Extended range = lower cost (we agree)
Lower cost = obviously lower cost (we also agree)
Better handling = ??????? Braking distance? less grip on the road? slippage while cornering? (we now disagree) Where did you get this info from? Not my experience at all
I'm sure a tire with less traction will allow for better turning but only because you are sacrificing..... traction. I have experienced traction on par with, and even better traction than my OEM rear
3 tires vs 4 tires on a car designed for a vehicle weighing 3-4 times as much? and you think its better?[/QUO That's why you run them at a lower pressure
The first time I tried a car tire was with the Kuhmo and it handled so much better that my wife asked if I had changed the suspension. I told her all I did was replace the rear tire.
How can you bash something that you have no experience with?
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11-04-2018, 04:05 PM
#108
Very Active Member
[QUOTE=Road-Kill;1401037]Everybody here puts something different on their ride.
You car tire enablers cant even agree on what's best.
Until I see a citation from a reliable source on TRACTION I'll stick with my Kendas.
Traction and feel are not the same thing.
I agree - A lot of good choices out there. We may all have our personal preferance, but one thing we all agree on is the there all better than the Kenda. I am not trying to convince you to try a better tire I just have an issue when anyone makes a statement about something that they have no expereance with.
2021 Sea To Sky, 2020 RTL
Isn't it weird that in AMERICA our flag and our culture offend so many people......
but our benefits don't?
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11-04-2018, 06:55 PM
#109
I had car tires on my 14 for 3 of the 4 years I owned the bike. Federal front and Kumho rear. I now have an 18 which still has the stock Kendas on it and from just my experience the life of the car tires is greater but the handling is much worse. They did not have near the traction when there was a lot of rain and I did notice much more hydroplaning with the car tires I was using. I am not saying that anyone should use one or the other I was just surprised that I could notice such a difference between the 14 with car tires and the 18 with OEM tires. Just my two cents.
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11-04-2018, 07:26 PM
#110
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by maxxheadroom
I had car tires on my 14 for 3 of the 4 years I owned the bike. Federal front and Kumho rear. I now have an 18 which still has the stock Kendas on it and from just my experience the life of the car tires is greater but the handling is much worse. They did not have near the traction when there was a lot of rain and I did notice much more hydroplaning with the car tires I was using. I am not saying that anyone should use one or the other I was just surprised that I could notice such a difference between the 14 with car tires and the 18 with OEM tires. Just my two cents.
That’s interesting, maxx. Just out of interest what psi were you running your car tyres at? For some reason, riders on Kuhmo in the US seem to have issues with wet roads, while riders on Kuhmo out here in Oz have very few issues in the wet. Very odd.
Pete
Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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11-04-2018, 10:08 PM
#111
Hello, I was running 20 in the fronts and 26 in the rear. I ran that same combo on my 2012 also (tires and pressures). Not sure what the difference is but maybe since the water goes down a different direction, maybe the tires do also... JK...
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11-04-2018, 11:33 PM
#112
Very Active Member
Well as a “genius” on this forum here is my experience with car tires on 2 different Spyders. We had a 2012 RTL that performed great on General Altimax tires on the front at 18 psi and a Michelin Primacy on the rear at 28 psi. 23,000 on the rear when we traded it in and 18,000 on the fronts. On our 2016 F3L we have a General Altimax RT43 on the rear at 22 psi with 14,000 miles and on the front are Federal Formozas with 4,000 miles running at 20 psi. The fronts came off at 20,000 because I couldn’t stand the wobble anymore. The rear was bald at 10,000 miles. The F3L was laser aligned at 500 miles. I’ve even got a Bajaron sway bar on the F3L. My wife is the primary rider of the F3L and I would NEVER want to compromise her safety. If someone wants to stick with Kenda tires that’s fine but do not insult our choice or us.
2016 F3 Limited
2019 Ryker Rally
2014 Suzuki V Strom 650
2020 CSC TT 250
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11-05-2018, 12:28 AM
#113
Very Active Member
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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11-05-2018, 01:50 AM
#114
Very Active Member
Road-Kill, this ones for you.....
I think with all these tire threads (or treads, if you prefer), it’s the Johnson theory at work.
Just nod, if you understand.
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11-05-2018, 04:19 AM
#115
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
You actually get wet roads in Oz??? I thought dusty roads were all you had!!!!
Lotsa people think that about Austraya, but (apologies to Dorothea Makellar) besides being a Sunburnt Country...
we live in a land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
of droughts and flooding rains,
we love her far horizons,
we love her jewel seas,
she's a land of beauty and of terror,
it's the wide brown land for us
You can check out all her poem here: https://www.dorotheamackellar.com.au.../mycountry.htm
2013 RT Ltd Pearl White
Ryde More, Worry Less!
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11-05-2018, 11:12 AM
#116
Very Active Member
???????????
In the high desert of Northern Nevada, we don't get much rain either, but it does happen. 2 summers ago my wife and I got caught in a real gully washer just out of Salt Lake City and the General Altimax handled it fine with no hydroplaning. This last summer we experienced hail in eastern Nevada on the "loneliest road in the country" ( Hwy 50 in E. Nevada) . The car tire handled it just fine also. Dry traction is also great.********** OEM rear tires are wimpy. **********
There must be thousands of us on this site who have gone to auto tires and are very pleased. Kinda like an up rated anti-sway bar is unnecessary.
I think a 4 ply tire on the back of a is a safety upgrade.
Lew L
Last edited by Lew L; 11-05-2018 at 11:16 AM.
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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11-05-2018, 12:13 PM
#117
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11-05-2018, 01:21 PM
#118
Very Active Member
Since Dbaucum asked if the Kenda OEMs were getting better I'll throw my 2 cents
quote "After the original rear tire on my RT only lasted 6k miles, I started using car tires."
Yes I was especially disappointed in the rear tire on the the 14 RTS. It was bald in the middle way before 10,000 miles, and after 5 OEM Kenda rear tires, and the well known compound change after the soft 14 model, I do think the Kendas are "better".
Better for me means they last longer, and roll and balance better. Our 2011 RT had issues with the front Kendas balance, and after the alignment was corrected, the next set was better. We have had better luck/experience with the current 15 RT OEM tires, and the wifes 16 F3Ts front Kendas have rolled smooth for over 40,000 miles.
The rear Kendas on these 15 and 16 models got us 12,500 miles and 13,000 miles before being replaced with a Kumho Ecsta and a General Altimax respectively.
The fronts were sourced and mounted at Walmart, and with Lamonts centrimatic balancers my wifes F3 is ready to roll next year.... DSCN2775.jpg
Now at 40,180 miles, "Babys got new shoes"- I do think the feedback has given Kenda and BRP stimulus to improve, and competition and choices are always good.
Last edited by AeroPilot; 11-05-2018 at 08:40 PM.
Reason: sp
07 Shadows, Aero, Spirit gone but not forgotten
03 Harley Sportster, 07 RK moved on
11 RT- 76,000 mi, 15 RT-S- 44,000 mi, traded for current 15 base RT and 16 F3T
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11-05-2018, 06:57 PM
#119
Very Active Member
Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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11-06-2018, 08:56 PM
#120
I would like to point out that I'm not pointing anything out.
LOL!!
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11-07-2018, 12:12 AM
#121
Very Active Member
Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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