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 new 250cc spyder knock off
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Its a Spyder wannabe....I love the write-up on thiers.
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Ha ha, wow, $7000 for something that is most likely going to fall apart in no time and have no parts support. 250cc, 17 hp and a claimed 85 mph? Must be on a serious downhill  .
I've done the knock off kids quad thing once, never again..
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New design and nicer touch than other 250cc touring trikes. We have all seen the classic touring 250cc mopeds around. What about changing to a new design that is both sporty and has the class of any touring moped with yes, thress wheels! You know you have seen them on the roads and every IS watching. Well, "those" guys paid about $18,000 for theirs?~? for a trike??? Sounds like the only thing they have is bragging rights till you pull up next to one at the stop light and you'll laugh knowing you still have $11,000 left. Yea, and YOU can get on board for arond $6999.99 DELIVERED! Did you know in most states you DO NOT need a motorcycle license to drive a 3 wheel machine? Jut an old fashion driver license will do. What are YOU waiting for? Give us a call today to get your dream rolling! Collectors and skeptics watch our affordable cycles take over your over priced trikes!
What a laugh! Hope they like eating dust.
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It'll probably do 85, my 250 scooter will barely, at full throttle, me in a full tuck with a tail wind. Seen this for a year or so, but never saw it for sale. Guess they finally got here by the slow boat from China. For maybe $3k, it would be a fun diversion. At that price, they're dreaming.
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/ Vehicle Dimensions & Weights /
SPYDER 250cc CRAP
Dry vehicle weight....................697 lbs (316 kg) 363.8 lbs
Front storage capacity.............2,685 in3 (44 l) NA
Front max load capacity...........30 lbs (15.9 kg) NA
Total vehicle load allowed........440 lbs (200 kg) 313 lbs
Fuel capacity............................7.13 US gal (27 l) 3.2 Gals
Vehicle overall height...............45.1 in 48.3 in
Vehicle overall length...............105 in 81.5 in
Vehicle overall width................59.3 in 48.4 in
250cc CRAP
NO stability control
NO antilock brakes
NO power steering
About 1/5 horsepower of Spyder
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BTW, isn't there serious legal implications for basically copying the spyder? They even discuss that on their website...gee, what else could they be referring to?
Last edited by bone crusher; 08-30-2009 at 07:35 AM.
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take it for what it is..
I think it would be fun to have one as well... just another toy to the list. and for the price.. you cant go wrong...
It is on my list already...
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some assembly required...
i hope one does pull up next to me.
 6 states down 42 states to go 
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"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
But 'Touring Water'??? Where do the Chinese companies come up with these names? They could have used Arachnid.
Last edited by QuadManiac; 08-30-2009 at 11:38 AM.
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Betcha they don't sell any...or at least, very few...anyone who knows it's a knockoff would likely stay away...it's not like you're getting a Spyder for 7k...you're getting a three-wheel moped for 7k and that's a lot...you'd be much better off getting that Italian Pia...whatever...that one is unique in its own right without copying the Spyder...
Oh yeah, the 7k is the sale price for this Water Whatever...apparently, the full price is over 17k....who are they kidding? Nice BS advertising!
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Probably has lead paint too!!! What a piece of junk. I wonder if they have DPS update problems too?
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Very Helpful Member
 Originally Posted by bone crusher
BTW, isn't there serious legal implications for basically copying the spyder? They even discuss that on their website...gee, what else could they be referring to?
I don't think the Chinese manufacturers have ever cared much about the legality in copying others products. Heck probably a lot of American manufacturers would copy others if they could get away with it.
Former Happy Spyder Owner
Just decided it was time to move onto other things.
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Originally Posted by bjt
I don't think the Chinese manufacturers have ever cared much about the legality in copying others products. Heck probably a lot of American manufacturers would copy others if they could get away with it.
Holding several Patents, Registered Copyrights and Trademarks I can tell you this...
These items are Country by Country registered, and a patent that is registered in one country has no power whatsoever in another country unless it is registered there too.
If you did not file and register your item in the ROC than a US patent has no sway in the ROC and it will become fair game there in no time at all.
Now, although you can't enforce anything against the company in the ROC who is making these, if you do have grounds for a patent case you could go after the company selling them in the country you have a patent in.
So, if it is found these do infringe, BRP could go after the importer and seller if need be. It won't stop the company from making them, but it will stop the sale in the country they bring the case in.
However, patent cases cost hugh money on both sides to get involved in, and can take years, and years to come to a close.
Maybe BRP is thinking these will get people thinking about this "kind of bike" so it's a bit of cross marketing? But, when people see how cheaply these are made than they will "step up" to the real thing and in the end get a Spyder?
MM
Last edited by Magic Man; 08-31-2009 at 09:10 AM.
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It is cute and all....
17.2 hp cute.
Total rip off on look though of the SPyder though eh? Least the rear wheel is easier to access.
Last edited by WackyDan; 08-31-2009 at 10:02 AM.
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"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".
If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.
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Originally Posted by NewRider
"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".
If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.
Considering we are all typing on our Chinese computers.... I work for a Chinese company, so I'm a bit sensitive to anti- Chinese sentiment. My company makes a very high quality product and a very well known brand while employing a few thousand people in the US and Canada.
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Originally Posted by NewRider
"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".
If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.
Ok, I'm curious if anyone has had a Chinese manufactured ATV, Motorcycle, Scooter, etc that has stood the test of time.
I've been burned bad on a kids ATV and a few of my friends and brother have as well. My kids ATV started falling apart after the first ride, and it ate 2 pistons/rings in the first year. The distributer bailed after dumping a bunch of them on the market. I paid $1400 for it in addition to putting in a lot of hours/parts (took for ever to find parts) only to sell it for $200 after 1 year.
For comparison, I paid $800 for a used 1986 Honda 200SX in 2002 and the thing ran solid for over 5 years before the kids grew out of it and I sold it for $600 to a friend.
Don't get me wrong, I really am curious if the quality has come up any since my experiences.
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I'd buy one for $2500 and give it to my son instesd of a go cart...
But since I don't have a son to bad! I'll take one in pink... "Barbie Spyder"
Next you'll see an Chinese version of Magic Man accessories, called Miso Magic Man...
Miso funny
Last edited by Motza; 08-31-2009 at 08:31 PM.
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I currently have 2 Chinese and 1 Taiwanese scooter. They are all built on the same basic floorpan. One Chinese is a 150cc aircooled (i've had 2 others), one is a 150cc water cooled and the Taiwanese is a 250cc water cooled. I've also had (and just recently sold) a Japanese (80's) Yamaha 180 scooter and Yamaha 50cc and a Chinese 50cc scooter.
Of all, the Taiwanese (Kymco) and the Yamaha's were the best built, but the Chinese weren't bad. The primary problem with the Chinese bikes is QA. You'd receive them and bolts would be loose, wiring kind of shoddy and overall not as good a fit and finish as the Japanese and Tiawanese bikes, which are top notch. Apparently they all follow the same basic design, borrowed from 80's Yamaha and Hondas that they were licenesed to build for in country use. THe parts, instead of coming from big suppliers, come from small mom and pop shops, all made to fit the common platform. So, the quality of a particular brand of Chinese bike (even though the parts are almost all interchangeable) is wholly dependent upon who the assembler (who ultimately sells to the US sellers) uses as his parts suppliers and how good their QA is.
I'm sure this new Spyder clone is built with the same basic parts as the 2 wheeled 250's - A GY6 engine/CVT transmission/rear wheel assembly all as a single unit, pivoting around the frame mount with shock/s to the frame. All they've changed is the front half of the frame adding a-arms and steering. (Yes, the entire engine, tranny and rear wheel are live, unsprung weight)
I sure wouldn't pay $7,000 for this. The quality and value of the drive train just doesn't support it. The standard Chinese 2 wheel 250's go for between $1.5 and 2.5k... If this was available for maybe $3k, I'd consider it just so my G/F could have something to ride along with me once in a while.
Until then, I guess I'm saving up for another Spyder for her.
Last edited by QuadManiac; 08-31-2009 at 08:32 PM.
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