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    Quote Originally Posted by NewRider View Post
    "Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

    If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.
    Please get one and let us know how well it runs and for how long...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motza View Post
    I'd buy one for $2500 and give it to my son instesd of a go cart...
    But since I don't have a son to bad! I'll take one in pink... "Barbie Spyder"

    Next you'll see an Chinese version of Magic Man accessories, called Miso Magic Man...
    Miso funny
    It'll be like the Saturday Night Live Adobe car...(if anyone can remember that far back?)
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    You haven't seen any yet have you. They are held up at their boarder and not being shipped. Problem with manufacturing, not being allowed out of the country is my understanding. Had a dealer here have two on order for months and can't get them delivered and can't get his money back. He was laughing at me for buying the spyder and paying so much for one. Hate to say it but who is laughing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpyderKev View Post
    Ok, I'm curious if anyone has had a Chinese manufactured ATV, Motorcycle, Scooter, etc that has stood the test of time.

    I've been burned bad on a kids ATV and a few of my friends and brother have as well. My kids ATV started falling apart after the first ride, and it ate 2 pistons/rings in the first year. The distributer bailed after dumping a bunch of them on the market. I paid $1400 for it in addition to putting in a lot of hours/parts (took for ever to find parts) only to sell it for $200 after 1 year.

    For comparison, I paid $800 for a used 1986 Honda 200SX in 2002 and the thing ran solid for over 5 years before the kids grew out of it and I sold it for $600 to a friend.

    Don't get me wrong, I really am curious if the quality has come up any since my experiences.
    I had a QLink 150cc Scooter prior to my Spyder. I really did like it and I rode it everywhere. It worked just fine. I actually was looking to upgrade to a larger scooter when we came across the spyder. I had a very good experience and for the price, it fit my needs. Just like the spyder, the dealership has a lot to do with it. I could have purchased a much cheaper version of the scooter on line but I wanted to get one from a real dealership. I used the same dealership that I have currently for my spyder. I had a little bit of work on the scooter but it was all under warranty. Never put out any extra money for it. I changed the oil regularly and took care of it. I can see why people would purchase these chinese knock offs. It you can't afford more you made do with what you can afford. If you take care of it and work with reputable people, it usually works out to your advantage. I am sure there are plenty of horror stories but hey, look at the outsider that reads our forum. What do you think is going through his mind about the spyder. Anyway, I love my spyder way better than my scooter but I did have a good experience and that is what the question was.
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    My riding lawn mower has more horsepower.

    But the 80mpg would be nice.

    Maybe I could use it as a winter beater!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka1004 View Post
    some assembly required...
    i hope one does pull up next to me.
    A spyder can smoke almost anything. I'd love to see one pull up next to me at a light.


    Grandma's Hoverround might even be able to take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dltang View Post
    I had a QLink 150cc Scooter prior to my Spyder. I really did like it and I rode it everywhere. It worked just fine. I actually was looking to upgrade to a larger scooter when we came across the spyder. I had a very good experience and for the price, it fit my needs. Just like the spyder, the dealership has a lot to do with it. I could have purchased a much cheaper version of the scooter on line but I wanted to get one from a real dealership. I used the same dealership that I have currently for my spyder. I had a little bit of work on the scooter but it was all under warranty. Never put out any extra money for it. I changed the oil regularly and took care of it. I can see why people would purchase these chinese knock offs. It you can't afford more you made do with what you can afford. If you take care of it and work with reputable people, it usually works out to your advantage. I am sure there are plenty of horror stories but hey, look at the outsider that reads our forum. What do you think is going through his mind about the spyder. Anyway, I love my spyder way better than my scooter but I did have a good experience and that is what the question was.

    Interesting to hear that people have had some success on the Chinese scooters. Perhaps this is more of a dirtbike/atv issue?

    On my ATV's/Dirtbikes I change the oil & oil filter after every other ride with a good synthetic oil and clean/oil the air filters after every ride. I prefer to do all the engine work on the fleet, so I'm critical about maintenance. All of my families quads/bikes right now are Honda's (except the Spyder), but we've owned some from all the big 4 Japanese manufactures with great success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jvicker View Post
    My riding lawn mower has more horsepower.
    Mine to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpyderKev View Post
    Interesting to hear that people have had some success on the Chinese scooters. Perhaps this is more of a dirtbike/atv issue?

    On my ATV's/Dirtbikes I change the oil & oil filter after every other ride with a good synthetic oil and clean/oil the air filters after every ride. I prefer to do all the engine work on the fleet, so I'm critical about maintenance. All of my families quads/bikes right now are Honda's (except the Spyder), but we've owned some from all the big 4 Japanese manufactures with great success.
    At the time we got it, the QLink was supposed to be the top of the line Chinese scooter. For that, we paid a $1000 + premium for it over a lot of other cheap 150cc scooters. I didn't think as much of it as dltang did but it was hers and she rode it just about anywhere she could. I would have preferred one of the Japanese scooters over the QLink but they were another $1500 (and up) more than what we paid for the QLink.

    In the end, that scooter led us both to the Spyder so I guess it worked out in that respect.


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    my dad just got a cvt 250 liquid cooled china made rig with the old tooling honda motor he gave 900 bucks it looks good runs good starts right up and get around 70 mpg with him on it he is about 5' 10" 280 lbs
    but it will barely go 70 and it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lighter than this thing
    also it does not say anything (if i remember correctly) about power steering
    that thing will be a beast to turn and it is at most going to be pushing 50 mph

    and we all know that this thing will be colored plastic (not painted)
    so just like they say you get what you pay for

    btw his is a mp250 used with 900 miles it has a radio and key faub remote start and front and rear storage it was truly a bargain if he even gets 1000 miles out of her

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    The other concerning factor is the narrower width of it. It's 48" vs the Spyder's 59". I imagine this thing would flip easily if you had to swerve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpyderKev View Post
    The other concerning factor is the narrower width of it. It's 48" vs the Spyder's 59". I imagine this thing would flip easily if you had to swerve.
    AND I seriously doubt it has any form of nanny... some of the newest large Chinese scooters do have simple anti-lock brakes, but that's all I would expect here. I'd bet that it will do 0-60 in the 12-15 second regime; It's not gonna be a speedster... BUT it will go fast enough in turns to get you into trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewRider View Post
    "Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

    If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.

    no reason to be haters.. it is what it is. it should be a fun toy to have as well... I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...

    most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner... If BRP was intelligent enough, they would make the Spyder available in different sizes just like any other counterparts do with the bikes... 600cc, 750cc, 1000cc, 1300cc, etc...


    Quote Originally Posted by jvicker View Post
    A spyder can smoke almost anything. I'd love to see one pull up next to me at a light.


    Grandma's Hoverround might even be able to take it.
    the spyder is not fast.

    how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? it shows how much you really know...


    how would you like any sports bike to pull next to you on a light and do the exact same thing ? and i am not talking about a 1000cc. or a Hayabusa 1300cc... Even the 600cc like the Yamaha R6/ Suzuki GSX-R 600/ Ninja 600 will smoke you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX 74 View Post
    no reason to be haters.. it is what it is. it should be a fun toy to have as well... I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...
    The only given stability of a three wheeler over a two wheeler is at rest. That is the reason for the "Nanny" on the spyder. I can corner as fast on Iktome as I could on the Pacific Coast and gravel will not mean a "low-side". The much narrower track of the 250 and NO stability control could well get one into trouble. That is the reason I got the Spyder over other Trikes, both professional and homebuilts. It is well designed even though most of us could see some changes.

    most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner... If BRP was intelligent enough, they would make the Spyder available in different sizes just like any other counterparts do with the bikes... 600cc, 750cc, 1000cc, 1300cc, etc...

    One good engine is better than several fair ones. Less power than the Spyder would be a disapointment for most riders. More power would overprice the Spyder and just overwork the traction control.



    the spyder is not fast.

    Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!

    how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? it shows how much you really know...

    The joke is that the whole discussion is exactly that. Spyder verses a market rip-off.


    how would you like any sports bike to pull next to you on a light and do the exact same thing ? and i am not talking about a 1000cc. or a Hayabusa 1300cc... Even the 600cc like the Yamaha R6/ Suzuki GSX-R 600/ Ninja 600 will smoke you...
    Compare it to other Trikes, it is a Soprt Touring set-up, NOT a race replica (GSX-R or R6). In an urban situation there is little chance to use the full power or handling of the Spyder. Even in the rural Alabama countryside there are too many tractors, farm trucks, tourists, and wandering critters to really get into it much.
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    your response is a Typical blinded owner response...

    some people complaint that they dont want the "nanny" (Traction control) and other that the reason they got it is because of the nanny...
    the "nanny" simply compensates for the inability or lack of ability of the driver/rider. A good rider does not want it because it takes away some of the fun... an average to novice driver needs it because it would save them from themselves... I think that there should be a switch to turn it on or off... I hate when the nanny takes over when im having fun with the spyder...
    a couple of years ago there was no "nanny".


    "One good engine is better than several fair ones. Less power than the Spyder would be a disapointment for most riders. More power would overprice the Spyder and just overwork the traction control."

    I have no idea how you came up with "one good engine"... specially with the rotax...
    The gixxer has 4 lines and ALL of them have great engines...Some of them setting the standard for what a great motorcycle production street legal engine for bikes is all about... for the record, I would not mind a smaller engine with a smaller price and I would not mind a bigger one... therefore that is a matter of opinions... I bet that if there was an option of a 600cc Spyder out there with a smaller price tag then there will be more 600cc spyders out there... most people buy the spyper for the FUN FACTOR !!

    so you say that the power of the bike should be limited to the traction control because if the bike has more power then it will overwork the traction control?? you are hilarious


    I got the spyder for the fun factor. not the fast factor...

    "Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!
    Compare it to other Trikes, it is a Soprt Touring set-up, NOT a race replica (GSX-R or R6). In an urban situation there is little chance to use the full power or handling of the Spyder. Even in the rural Alabama countryside there are too many tractors, farm trucks, tourists, and wandering critters to really get into it much."

    again, you missed the point. someone was comparing the spyder to the 250cc...

    but since you want to compare the spyder to other trikes i can say that... The spyder is not fast...
    check the t-rex or the scorpion or the busa trike or the crossbow or the trirod or the subG1...

    like you said and i think this is where we both agree: it is a Sport Touring set up.

    I think BRP should have different engine versions.. give people choices...


    Bottom line is that I know The Spyder is a great bike for the price, i got it for the fun factor but Im not a blind Spyder owner and i can see how other people can benefit from having options...

    I would buy the "replica" for me or for my son... save a lot of money and have fun with it...

    I hope more manufacturers start building more trikes... I would love to see a trike made by Suzuki/Yamaha/Kawasaki/ with the option of a 600cc / 750cc/ 1000cc or even the 1300cc...

    if I knew then what I know now i would have gotten the busa conversion in the picture below..
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX 74 View Post
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    I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...

    most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner...
    ...
    I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day. With a 3 wheeler you're depending on the vehicle to stay flat as you TURN through a corner with the bars. The primary control you have in this case is countering the turn and front end traction with your body weight and your control of speed. If the front end is too narrow for the center of gravity/speed it's going to throw you high side. My experience with 48" sport quads on asphault is that at 48", even if you hang your body way over the other side, you're going to have to slow down a lot to corner even mildly sharp corners. I modified my race quads to widen them to 50" and lowered them with suspension valving, etc and this helped a bunch on dirt. Without getting into it, the physics of a scooter/motorcycle are obviously completly different.

    As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpyderKev View Post
    I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day. With a 3 wheeler you're depending on the vehicle to stay flat as you TURN through a corner with the bars. The primary control you have in this case is countering the turn and front end traction with your body weight and your control of speed. If the front end is too narrow for the center of gravity/speed it's going to throw you high side. My experience with 48" sport quads on asphault is that at 48", even if you hang your body way over the other side, you're going to have to slow down a lot to corner even mildly sharp corners. I modified my race quads to widen them to 50" and lowered them with suspension valving, etc and this helped a bunch on dirt. Without getting into it, the physics of a scooter/motorcycle are obviously completly different.

    As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.
    $7k is still a lot of money...and for that thing??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpyderKev View Post
    As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

    True indeed!

    The real cost of a bike is the differance between what you pay for it new and what you get for it when you sell it used. (reasonable repairs aside)

    The rest was just a "deposit" so to speak on the bike that is returned when you sell it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpyderKev View Post
    I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day.

    As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

    I agree with you.. but there is no proof that the one in question is poorly engineered... not yet.

    whom ever said the price is 7k is crazy... the retail is $4600 and nobody pays retail unless they are crazy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX 74 View Post
    I agree with you.. but there is no proof that the one in question is poorly engineered... not yet.

    whom ever said the price is 7k is crazy... the retail is $4600 and nobody pays retail unless they are crazy...
    I saw the demo they had at the Dealer show in Indy this past Feb. Let's just say they aren't horrible as I have seen worst from overseas, but they are no Spyder for sure.

    An MSRP of $4600 for these might not be too bad a list price. But from what I know of these kind of scooters from China, there will be very little if any "real" warranty coverage (most times parts only and no dealer network even if it covers labor too) and parts can be real hard if not almost impossiable to get.

    Really, IMHO planning to keep one of these long term or for high miles would not be the best of plans.

    Now, to use as a knock around town or as a pit bike they might be real fun and cool for sure. I just don't know how over the long term they will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX 74 View Post
    shunkmanitu

    your response is a Typical blinded owner response...

    so you say that the power of the bike should be limited to the traction control because if the bike has more power then it will overwork the traction control?? you are hilarious

    Ilike you said and i think this is where we both agree: it is a Sport Touring set up.

    Bottom line is that I know The Spyder is a great bike for the price, i got it for the fun factor but Im not a blind Spyder owner and i can see how other people can benefit from having options...

    if I knew then what I know now i would have gotten the busa conversion in the picture below..

    Thank you for your opinion and your rude, condescending attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunkmanitu View Post
    the spyder is not fast.

    Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!

    how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? it shows how much you really know...

    The joke is that the whole discussion is exactly that. Spyder verses a market rip-off.

    Thanks shunkmanitu. At least someone understands the "fun" we are trying to have with this. A Spyder and a motorcycle, Yes there is no comparison. A Spyder and a "Spyder" replica. I think I'm aloud to poke fun at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Man View Post
    I saw the demo they had at the Dealer show in Indy this past Feb. Let's just say they aren't horrible as I have seen worst from overseas, but they are no Spyder for sure.

    An MSRP of $4600 for these might not be too bad a list price. But from what I know of these kind of scooters from China, there will be very little if any "real" warranty coverage (most times parts only and no dealer network even if it covers labor too) and parts can be real hard if not almost impossiable to get.

    Really, IMHO planning to keep one of these long term or for high miles would not be the best of plans.

    Now, to use as a knock around town or as a pit bike they might be real fun and cool for sure. I just don't know how over the long term they will be?

    MM
    is a trike to have fun... pit bike sounds like a plan... is no spyder for sure and therefore there is no comparison... NONE. but as another toy (like I have said multiple times) I can see many advantages...


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    Thank you for your opinion and your rude, condescending attitude.
    I did not mean to be either rude or condescending. forums are a great way to communicate with one another but sometimes the fun part gets lost in translation... If you feel I was condescending to you, then I apologize. That was not my intention.
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    [quoteI did not mean to be either rude or condescending. forums are a great way to communicate with one another but sometimes the fun part gets lost in translation... If you feel I was condescending to you, then I apologize. That was not my intention. [/quote]

    Accepted, Truth is, when the Kidney Doctor took away my two wheels I would have ridden nearly anything. Looked close at the Wing conversions and the Harley "Tri-Glide", even a Ural with a side car. Nearly fifty years of trying various trikes never gave me a good impression of them. I have ridden a few BIG (V-6 & V-8) that were not too bad except for the huge size and length.

    Given room, I ride hard (for an old man) and would love to still have a sport touring such as the V-4 Honda. As I mentioned in the past, a Spyder buitl by Honda with their styling, bags, 1300 V-4, etc would have been my choice. Got the next best thing.

    BTW, you can lift a wheel, leave black all the way across an Alabama creek bridge, do a three wheel slide, and outrun a good number of Baby Squiddlies on the river road that have never pushed a Brit Triple to the limits aginst the "new" CB-750 Hondas on California tracks.

    There are lots of the PRC & ROK scooters around this area. Checked several of them out for people I know and pushed them toward a couple of the entries from India. When you are fifteen it is hard to beat a 125 cc "chopper" that, at fifty yards, looks like it was built by OCC. We are a service industry area and "good money" for lots of these kids is $10/hr flipping meat at a beach Wendy's!
    Shunkmanitu, Ikce Wicasa, EWC, USN (ret) 100% Disabled Agent Orange VietNam Vet. Happy Ryder of RED SE-5 IktomeLuta!

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