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Originally Posted by Road-Kill
Will he testify in court for you? Will he be allowed to testify in a court? Will he be willing to risk his business giving bad advice? What Lamont does personally versus professionally will never be discussed on this forum, none of us will.
None of those babbling about tires on this forum are tire engineers and as such are not professionals in this field. If they were they could be sued for giving "bad advice".
What are your credentials for making this claim? Are you an engineer or an attorney?
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Please don't let this thread end. I am no longer an engineer or a lawyer. Just a retired finanicial guy that everyone thought was an engineer and lawyer.
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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
If there is a difference between the Spyder rim and an Auto/truck rim the difference is to small to see ..... Awhile back someone here posted Pics of the outline to both done as an over-lay ..... you couldn't tell the difference ...the lines matched up perfectly ....... just sayin .... Mike
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
yup!
Rob looked them over VERY closely, and pronounced the Spyder's rim to be identical to a car rim.
What is needed is for the rim manufacturer, whoever that is, to certify that the rim is designed in accordance with such and such rim profile standard recognized by the Tire and Rim Association. If they would certify the Spyder rim is designed to the same profile as a passenger car tire then there would be no question about the legality or advisability of putting a car tire on a Spyder rim. If that certification has not been made by the wheel manufacturer then Kenda must have certified their tire as fitting the Spyder rim.
I just sent a request to Kenda to provide me with the information about which rims and rim profiles the Spyder tires are certified to fit. We'll see what happens.
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Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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You can tell the differences with just a glance...
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Can anyone translate what the contour differences mean?
bob, not to change the subject but do you know what the insurance legalities/liabilities for installing stretched
tires on a car.
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I get calls from 'kids' with vw/audi's that have 205 width & want to install on 9" rims or 225 width on 10" rims
i won't due those because i know it is a dangerous fit but rim manufacturers build it for such with little regard for
safety. i am just wondering what the insurance legality might be.
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thanks bob, you da man
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One of this site's sponsors (PPA Wheels) makes aftermarket wheels for Spyders. I wonder what standard they adhere to.
Maybe that's the best way all around to avoid legal hassles -- buy an aftermarket (i.e., non-BRP) set of wheels.
But so far, I haven't seen anyone make an aftermarket rear wheel; I've only seen front wheels. Heck, if they did something clever with the air valve, they'd fly off the shelves!
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Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
I get calls from 'kids' with vw/audi's that have 205 width & want to install on 9" rims or 225 width on 10" rims
i won't due those because i know it is a dangerous fit but rim manufacturers build it for such with little regard for
safety. i am just wondering what the insurance legality might be.
My local tire guy said you can go one size wider or narrower with no problem, two sizes is iffy, and three or more absolutely not.
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Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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Originally Posted by UtahPete
What are your credentials for making this claim? Are you an engineer or an attorney?
I am not an engineer nor an attorney but I have testified in court regarding vehicle accident reports I have investigated.
Giving bad advice is fine unless you are a professional in the given field.
This is why professionals in a given field will always tell someone seeking free or friendly advice to "see a professional".
I'm not against putting car tires on a Spyder.
I am against those who portray themselves as professionals and telling the less informed its better without the proof.
It all comes down to the proper citations and I see none of it here.
.....on another note. Win or lose in a lawsuit is somewhat irrelevant. Litigations often wipeout most before the verdict is in.
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You are comparing apples to oranges.
Two different companies with two different legal teams in two different countries with two different styled machines.
The Spyder is sold as a fun, fast and safe machine.
The Tri-Glide is sold as a slow machine for the "aged".
I couldn't get my buddies 2017 Tri-Glide to perform in the twisties if my life depended on it.
So putting car tires on that toaster is meaningless.
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Originally Posted by BajaRon
He is talking about putting a tire designed for a 5.5"-6" wide rim on a 8", 9" or 10" wide rim. This 'Stretches' the side wall of the tire way beyond design. It is the 'Hot' look which supersedes any logic, reason, concern for safety or design parameters.
This is a completely different subject than discussing whether or not to replace a weak car tire with a stronger one since the Spyder comes stock with car spec wheels and car design tires.
Yes that is it, has nothing to do with our bikes but i get a lot of those at my place. to me it seems very dangerous
and yes very easy to damage wheel or tire.
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Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
Yes that is it, has nothing to do with our bikes but i get a lot of those at my place. to me it seems very dangerous
and yes very easy to damage wheel or tire.
If some kid asks you to set up his car like that: tell him that you HOPE that he has good towing coverage!
He'll need it!
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
If some kid asks you to set up his car like that: tell him that you HOPE that he has good towing coverage!
He'll need it!
i actually do say that and my weight distributor said something to me once that i always remember, the wheels
look great on the back of the flatbed with the car.
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Kinda OEM tires
Originally Posted by dbaucum
After the original rear tire on my RT only lasted 6k miles, I started using car tires. It's a pain because many dealers will not install car tires, and I don't want to worry with taking the wheel off myself. Have the OEM tires improved to the point we can consider them again, or do dealers offer a better alternative?
I have F3-T spyder with 21K original OEM Kenda tires. Rear tire center tread wear bar just began to show replacement but outer tread wear bars still OK... figure will replace around 23 -24K front tires still have plenty wear left according to wear bars will replace around 25K. I ride hard on southern AZ mountain twists to keep up with my 2 wheel hard riding buddies. What can I say about OEM Kenda's, nothing except they will be my next set of tires. Friend had a 2014 RT and rear OEM Kenda tire replaced at 6K... don't know what's different.
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I average 13,000 in the rear Kenda tire and 27,000 on the front Kenda tires.
I experience excellent traction, no flats and thus no reason to risk loss of traction.
If it aint broke don't fix it.
The geniuses on this thread talk mileage and never traction and that tells everything.
Stay with what Can Am mandates and ride safe.
Originally Posted by Bruiser37
I have F3-T spyder with 21K original OEM Kenda tires. Rear tire center tread wear bar just began to show replacement but outer tread wear bars still OK... figure will replace around 23 -24K front tires still have plenty wear left according to wear bars will replace around 25K. I ride hard on southern AZ mountain twists to keep up with my 2 wheel hard riding buddies. What can I say about OEM Kenda's, nothing except they will be my next set of tires. Friend had a 2014 RT and rear OEM Kenda tire replaced at 6K... don't know what's different.
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11-04-2018, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
I always felt that the Kendas handled okay, road quietly, and gave a decently smooth ride...
But when you figure in the cost, and short tread-life: there ARE better alternatives out there...
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