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Tires in Louisiana

Was that WITH the valve stem installed?? Most rims are made so they are reasonably evenly weighted with the valve stem hole in place, then they ADD the valve stem, making it the heaviest point by something close to the weight of a valve stem - international conventions call for that to end up the heaviest part of the naked rim in order to allow the easier matching & balancing of tires with the also internationally called for 'yellow dot on the lightest part of the tire'. By those same international conventions, the red dot on a tire denotes the tires high point



~~~~yes, I absolutely leave the rubber air valve stem in place when looking for the *TRUE* heaviest point of the rim. The tire wont hold air if you leave it out Peter=:-)

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I’ve been using Marc Parnes balancing system, as seen in the above pic sitting on top of my kitchen stove. How this system works, the bearings in the two outer blocks with flat spots are able to sit on top what most that use with this system, a pair of concrete blocks, since they are readily available everywhere for cheap. The length of a concrete block is typically longer than the distance of half the height of your average motorcycle rim/tire combo

So the flat spots of the bearing blocks sit on the concrete blocks, you then insert the shaft through your rim’s bearings. The shaft does not come in contact with your rim’s bearings, that’s what the cones do, they butt against the bearings after you finger tighten the thumb screws. Marc Parnes offers cones for a multitude of motorcycle wheels. I haven’t checked his site but I would imagine he carries cones to fit Spyder wheels. When I started using Marc’s system I bought cones to work with my GS as seen in the below photo and my modern Vespa, a 2013 GTS

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Okay, going through my flickr photo stream I found a pic showing what I described above


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at the risk of going off topic, here’s another tool I use when doing tire work. Before I bought this contraption I used the heels of my boots to break the seal that forms between a tire and motorcycle rim. The above works on leverage


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again, at the risk of going slightly off topic, I thought I’d show this pic doing tire work on my living room floor. Here in north central Fla. its hotter than the hinges of Haddes most of the year, so I bring the work indoors where I have air conditioning. I think a lot of two and three wheel pilots (at least in my part of the world) dont want to do tire work because its too hot outdoors. I say bring the work inside where its cool. Now I’m really going off topic with this next comment. I’d like to see manufacturers like Can Am offer cooling seats besides heated seats to their offerings. I’d love to be able to buy a Spyder with an option to cool the seat. We have more hot months where I ride than months where its cool

Aight!, just to recap what I said about finding the true heaviest point of the rim so you place the light point of your new tire you’re installing on said rim, Hey!, if others want to blindly install their new tires with the paint dots to the tire valve, thinking it’s the heaviest point of the rim, more power to them. As you and others have said Peter, its worked for you. OTOH, since I have the tools and the technology (application of knowledge), I’d rather take the time on a new to me wheel and fins the true heaviest point, and mark that spot inconspicuously (I place a dot using a permanent marker on the center of the rim) so that next time I mount a new tire, I’ll place the painted dot to that point knowing it’s the heaviest point of the rim

I’ll readily admit I’m splitting hairs doing it my way. It’s kind of like using a torque wrench to tighten a nut or. Bolt vs. using the built in torque wrench of your brain. Both work, but in the case of tire life, I’m likely to get more life out of a tire rather than not finding the true heaviest point on the rim, with the rubber air valve installed=:-)


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while
 
~~~~yes, I absolutely leave the rubber air valve stem in place when looking for the *TRUE* heaviest point of the rim. The tire wont hold air if you leave it out Peter=:-) ...

But if you do your rim balance test with the tire already mounted on the rim, then you're not actually finding the *TRUE* heaviest point of the RIM per se, but more that of the TIRE & RIM assembly instead! :lecturef_smilie:

You really should try to find the heaviest point on the rim first (but with the valve stem in place) then align the dots on the tire accordingly, fit the tire, & check the whole wheel assembly's balance; and only THEN make a decision about whether the dots on the tires are in the wrong place - and generally, in 98 & 3/4% of the time on quality/good name brand tires, those dots tend to be where the international conventions on tires & rims specifies they should be. Sure, you might need to add some weight to properly balance the wheel assy even after doing that, but it'll almost certainly need less weight to balance than if you don't. :thumbup:

And I too would love to see a cooling seat for a Can Am Spyder. :ohyea:
 
But if you do your rim balance test with the tire already mounted on the rim, then you're



~~~no Peter, when finding the heaviest point on the rim, the tire is removed, the rubber air valve is left on the rim

And if anyone needs an explanation why the reason is because the tire valve will be a constant, the tire isn’t


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while
 
~~~~yes, I absolutely leave the rubber air valve stem in place when looking for the *TRUE* heaviest point of the rim. The tire wont hold air if you leave it out Peter=:-) ...
[Added comment 1: what's the tire got to do with it if you're looking for the heavy point on the rim?? Cos if the tire's ON the rim, you're balancing the combined rim & tire assy - but if the tires NOT on the rim, then all the air has already leaked out! :shocked: You need to balance just the rim, with no tire mounted, but WITH the valve stem in situ if you want to find the heaviest point on the rim - see my post quoted & emphasised below. ;) ]

But if you do your rim balance test with the tire already mounted on the rim, then you're not actually finding the *TRUE* heaviest point of the RIM per se, but more that of the TIRE & RIM assembly instead! :lecturef_smilie:

You really should try to find the heaviest point on the rim first (but with the valve stem in place) ......

~~~no Peter, when finding the heaviest point on the rim, the tire is removed, the rubber air valve is left on the rim
[Added comment 2: so you're now agreeing with what I said in my first post & highlighted in comment 1 ;) ]

And if anyone needs an explanation why the reason is because the tire valve will be a constant, the tire isn’t....


:hun: But isn't that what I wrote?? :dontknow: Added comments & emphasis above, just to make sure we're talking on the same wavelength?!? :thumbup:
 
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