Thinking of buying a Spyder, but have a lot of Questions - any help please?

[Kromm]

I am thinking of purchasing a Spyder RT limited or a F3 limited (leaning heavily towards the RT). But I have a few questions. Here is some background info on me first. I started riding dirt bikes when I was 13 and got my first street bike when I was 19. I am now 65 and currently own a FJR 1300. I enjoy some “sport“ riding but I do a lot of touring also, an average day out on the bike we cover about 300 miles. I like to take long trips on my bike. We (my wife and I) will take off for a week or more on a ride. I have developed arthritis in my hips, so I need a more “relaxed” riding position.

Now to my questions. I am curious about the Semi Automatic transmission. Does it give you the control that a manual does? I am “old school” and I like the manual.
I always change out my exhaust. I think most bikes sound like sewing machines with factory exhausts systems. I prefer to do a full replacement over just slip-ons. What are the options to do so?

What kind of mileage do you get on a set of tires? And are they “car tire” replacement, or are they a specific to the Can Am? And do you have to go to a dealer to purchase them and have them put on? What are the costs to do so?

How is the maintenance? Oil Changes, Tune ups, ect... How difficult are they to do by yourself? And what are the average costs for any maintenance that needs to be done by the dealer?

How comfortable is the stock seat? My experience has been the stock seats are not great for long rides. I have always put aftermarket seats on all my bikes.

Like I mentioned earlier, I like some sport riding. How is the handling on windy roads? And how is the Semi Automatic transmission on the windy roads (down shifting and up shifting).

What modification/upgrades are available? I like to make my rides “mine”. I do mods to accommodate the riding I like to do.

I always do research before I make a purchase of this cost. I may have more questions as I look into this more. My local dealer has a 2022 RT limited Red and Black that has really caught my eye. Before I make my finale decision, I plan on taking the rider course

Thank you in advance to all of your responses

 

[Navydad]

I too am a sport touring guy coming from BMW RT's and a Triumph Trophy SE. If you like the seating position of the FJ you would probably be happier with the RT. The F3 has more of a cruiser style riding position which kills my back. I never could get comfortable on a cruiser bike. We have been out on our RT for a month at a time and have covered up to 700 miles a day and it was comfortable for us. We have a 2015 RT with the stock seat. I use an Airhawk cushion and my wife prefers a sheepskin cover. If you like aftermarket seats then that is a call you will have to make on your own. Everyone's comfort level is different.

The only difference with the semi auto over the standard transmission is the clutch. The transmissions are the same. The bike will downshift on it's own our you can downshift with the paddle shifter. YOU have control of what gear you ride in just like your standard shift bike. If I'm in the twisties and want to play I will shift with the paddle shifters to keep the optimum gear for the situation.

I can't speak for exhausts since the quieter the better for me. I prefer the wind and the sounds around me. I don't listen to tunes (wife does) and the phone is always in the trunk.

I got 6000 miles out of the stock rear tire and then I switched to car tires. The rims on the spyder are car rims and I have had no problems in over 34,000 miles on car tires. Matter of fact it was the best thing I have done for handling and comfort. There aren't many dealers who will mount car tires, but I have several auto tire stores around me that will do the job. I usually do my own. This is just my opinion, but I wouldn't push a vehicle with Kenda tires on it. I bought all three car tires for less money than my dealer wanted to change the rear Kenda.

As far as handling is concerned the Spyder will go down a twisty road pretty quickly once you get used to the bike. Car tires and the anti sway bar upgrade help a lot. It is not going to get you down the mountain road as fast as the FJ or any other sport tourer will. Think sports car and not sports bike. Still you can have a lot of fun with the Spyder. Many do like I do and have a two wheeler in the stable so they can get that peg dragging fix once in awhile.

I do my own maintenance. Always have on my bikes. I had my RT laser aligned when I bought it and it hasn't been touched since. Tracks straight and true. I have a set of car ramps that I use for oil changes and they work well for me. I am 67 and although it takes me a bit longer to get down on the garage floor than it used to I can still do the work when needed. There really isn't a lot of maintaining required on a Spyder. You read all the horror stories about keeping one on the road, but all I ever needed was oil and filter changes and I did recently do a brake fluid and coolant flush, neither of which are difficult. My Spyder doesn't require any more maintaining than my wife's Honda Pilot. As far as costs there are several vendors on this site that offer good prices on stuff needed to maintain your ride. Dealership costs can vary greatly around the country so I won't venture to guess what maintenance would cost in your area.

Modifications or upgrades? I don't have time nor do I want to go into that. Think Goldwings or HD's, the list is very long. Just buy the bike and gave fun. Best way to see what is available is to attend a Spyder rally. You will get more ideas than you can keep up with.

As far as comfort and handling I suggest you put at least a 1000 miles on the bike before you start forming ideas on what to change. I did this and found the RT was actually pretty good off the showroom floor. I did add a set of highway pegs, but that's about it.

 

[K80Shooter]

Now to my questions. I am curious about the Semi Automatic transmission. Does it give you the control that a manual does? I am “old school” and I like the manual.
I always change out my exhaust. I think most bikes sound like sewing machines with factory exhausts systems. I prefer to do a full replacement over just slip-ons. What are the options to do so?

I like mine quiet so I can't help on this one. As for the semi-automatic trans - you must always tap the paddle to upshift. On downshifting - you can let the bike do it for you, or you can do it yourself if you feel the need.

What kind of mileage do you get on a set of tires? And are they “car tire” replacement, or are they a specific to the Can Am? And do you have to go to a dealer to purchase them and have them put on? What are the costs to do so?

When my tires get replaced, it will be with car tires. I will remove them myself and carry them to a tire shop to get them mounted. I will balance them myself also. I only have about 4,000 miles on mine, so they still look good & ride well.

How is the maintenance? Oil Changes, Tune ups, ect... How difficult are they to do by yourself? And what are the average costs for any maintenance that needs to be done by the dealer?


Changing the oil is no big deal for me. I am also 65 and plan on doing everything that needs to be done for as long as I'm able to do it. Finding a dealer with "qualified" mechanics can be daunting.

How comfortable is the stock seat? My experience has been the stock seats are not great for long rides. I have always put aftermarket seats on all my bikes.


Being you're used to custom seats then I doubt that you'll be satisfied with the stock seat unless you get the comfort seats or maybe a Sea to Sky. I added Motorcycle Daves gel inserts to mine and am happy so far.

Like I mentioned earlier, I like some sport riding. How is the handling on windy roads? And how is the Semi automatic transmission on the windy roads (down shifting and up shifting).


You'll need the Baja Ron sway bar kit for sure. For me it's enough, but there are some aftermarket shocks that some people swear by. With the semi-automatic you can control the down shifts (I prefer this on the twisties) to suit yourself and you always control the upshifts.

What modification/upgrades are available? I like to make my rides “mine”. I do mods to accommodate the riding I like to do.

Mods are endless and only hampered by your wallet. Check out all the vendors here, they have most anything you'll need.

I always do research before I make a purchase of this cost. I may have more questions as I look into this more. My local dealer has a 2022 RT limited Red and Black that has really caught my eye. Before I make my finale decision, I plan on taking the rider course


I took the rider course just to familiarize myself with the bike and honestly, I enjoyed it and thought it was money well spent.
Try to ride both bikes. Where I took my course, they had both of them for the riders to ride. However, I knew going into it that I wanted the RT Ltd.



For me, the RT Ltd is a good fit for both of us. (Myself & Wife). The RT Ltd is built for touring and for "me" it's ok as it is with the addition of the Baja Ron sway bar.

A lot of folks are doing tunes and pedal commanders and such but that's up to you and your riding style.

I know nothing about the F3 Ltd.

Good Luck!

 

[pidjones]

I believe that all of your questions are answered here in the forum, if you take the time to search around a little and read. With the modifications that you mention, you are considering a $30-35K purchase. Wise to do research.

 

[ARtraveler]

The above have you covered quite well.

Anything after 2014 is 1330 three cylinder.

There is another thread running with a nice comparison between the 998 and 1330 models.

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...r-RT-Limited-vs-2014-gt-RT-LTD-(Maybe-RS-LTD)

Nothing current on comparison between semi auto and manual though.

I have had seven spyders. Only the first was a Manual transmission. All the others SE's. Do I miss the clutch shifting? Heck no. You still have to shift gears going up with the SE. It is a paddle shifter. Will you notice a difference in control or power? Most do not. It is difficult to trade or sell a manual transmission these days. If you find one...they should be willing to deal, because I am guessing on the market longer than they like.

Good luck in your hunt. :yes:

And :welcome: I note this is your first post.

 

[FrogmanDave]

K80's answers are pretty much what I would say. Welcome to the forum!

 

[RayBJ]

I have a '20 RT Base. I came off a Triumph Trophy SE (sport tourer) and I do a few long-haul (5-14 days) tours each year . The F3 didn't feel right to me. I didn't like the feet-forward setup. The RT lets me put my feet wherever I'm comfortable throughout the ride. I even stand up to stretch after ~ 2 hrs riding. The RT floorboards make high-speed cornering easier (planted outer leg to stay onboard! The larger fairing and electric screen on the RT makes foul weather riding less taxing. The F3 is a little quicker but the tradeoff for creature comfort was a clear win for the RT - for me.

If you're a spirited rider and enjoy the twisties, you'll need to replace the sway bar, tires, and upgrade the shocks. Pedal commander will add some spunk to the throttle and an ECU tune (or PV3) will add a little more top speed/acceleration to help with keeping up with your 2-wheeled buds. You should also look to get a laser alignment to eliminate any wandering of the front end.

As for seats, I have been using Airhawk on all my rides and wouldn't think to ride more than a couple hours on an OEM seat. I'm leery of spending big bucks on an after-market seat that may not resolve pain points. The Airhawk has always let me ride 8-10 hours/day.

 

[Excoastie]

Welcome! I agree with most of what has been said above.

I have a '21 RTL, bought it June of 2021, and I haven't looked back. I have about 7K miles on mine.

The one thing that I disagree with is the sway bar upgrades. I'm sure they make a significant difference, but I have not seen the need. Once I learned to adjust my grip, the bike handled like a dream; a too tight grip can make handling interesting.

The seat on the RTL is not the best, but I have found that it's adequate for the most part. I also haven't found any after-market option without sending my seat off to be modified. The cushions mentioned above are an excellent idea, as swamp ass is real; it's worse than on my previous HDs. I would also recommend the adjustable air deflectors, these were the first mod I did.

--Exco

 

[Pooch]

‘21 RTL here. Almost 9000 miles. I am a touring style driver.
No problem with stock sway bars… lowered the front tire pressures from recommended 20 to 18.. handles great..no swaying back and forth.
Changed stock handlebars to Heli-Bars for a customized fit.
BRP adjustable air deflectors.. they don’t do a whole lot but liked the look better than Baker Air Wings..which do perform better.
Utopia driver backrest.
Battery pigtail.
Heated gear connection.
Trunk organizer I bought from Harley and cobbled it up to make it what I wanted.
No problem with seat comfort but do have an old Air Hawk pad on hand just in case I ever need it.
At this time I still have the OEM tires.. waiting for them to wear out then decide on different tires.
I came from a very comfortable 2008 Gold Wing IRS trike and many 2-wheelers prior to that. I had no problems adjusting to this Spyder.
Handles as well on interstate speeds as it does on twisty country backroads.
Waited to buy this Spyder to see if BRP would produce a unit with everything on my “must have” list.. they did in 2020, I waited one more year and pulled the trigger… I like it just fine.

P.s. I really appreciate not having to hold a clutch in at a long stop light anymore.

 

[K80Shooter]

Welcome! I agree with most of what has been said above.

I have a '21 RTL, bought it June of 2021, and I haven't looked back. I have about 7K miles on mine.

The one thing that I disagree with is the sway bar upgrades. I'm sure they make a significant difference, but I have not seen the need. Once I learned to adjust my grip, the bike handled like a dream; a too tight grip can make handling interesting.

The seat on the RTL is not the best, but I have found that it's adequate for the most part. I also haven't found any after-market option without sending my seat off to be modified. The cushions mentioned above are an excellent idea, as swamp ass is real; it's worse than on my previous HDs. I would also recommend the adjustable air deflectors, these were the first mod I did.

--Exco

I honestly felt the same way about the sway bar until I ran across one at a "really, really" good deal. Once I installed it, I loved it.

 

[Peter Aawen]

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As far as handling is concerned the Spyder will go down a twisty road pretty quickly once you get used to the bike. Car tires and the anti sway bar upgrade help a lot. It is not going to get you down the mountain road as fast as the FJ or any other sport tourer will. Think sports car and not sports bike. Still you can have a lot of fun with the Spyder. Many do like I do and have a two wheeler in the stable so they can get that peg dragging fix once in awhile.

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While I concur with most of what the others have said in reply, I've gotta disagree with this bit! ^^ :lecturef_smilie: . Sure, if you don't wanta put too much effort into it, then the Spyder will work & handle pretty easily, much like a 'sports car' & not necessarily like a 'sport bike', BUT, and this applies ESPECIALLY in the twisties, if you want to learn how to push right up to the limits of your Spyder & put the effort into riding it appropriately, I am convinced that there's not very many 4 wheeled machines and virtually no 2 wheeled machines out there that can handle the tight corners & short straights like a 3 wheeled Spyder being ridden hard by a skilled rider! :yes:

A Spyder running a good set of Sport Touring or Hi-Performance Car tires at the right pressure for the load (usually 20 psi or lower ) has waaaay better braking than just about aanything out there courtesy of the 2 front wheels & the Brembo brakes; so a skilled rider can dive into corners faster, brake harder, take the corners tighter & faster with far more stability & surety than even the best of 2 wheeled machines, then get on the throttle sooner & accelerate harder earlier coming out; so anywhere with tight twisties & short straights, a skilled Spyder rider working it can get thru the twisties showing even the most expensive/fastest sport/super cars & the fastest & most skillfully ridden 2 wheel sport bikes a clean pair of heels! hyea: But once the corners start to open out & the straights get longer, Spyders do start to suffer at higher speeds from the dirty great wall of air they hafta push along ahead of them courtesy of the 2 front wheels, the broad frontal area, and any windshield they may have fitted, let alone the extra weight they and many of us ryders seem to carry these days!! :gaah:

I will admit that it does take some upper body strength & bit of bum on/off seat movement to achieve, simply cos the Spyder doesn't lean in &/or benefit from centripetal forces the way 2 wheel riders get a freebie/helping hand, so it's all down to the skilled Spyder rider putting in the effort to stay on the bike, move their weight around to limit Nanny interventions, and actually STEER it thru the twisties (with the Nanny hovering to keep things upright if the rider doesn't get it quite right!! pps: ) but it can be done, and when it does happen, it'll blow you, the ryder, and everybody who sees it away - often blowing other road users right into the weeds as you blast past them at a significant speed advantage while they're half-way thru a tight corner they couldn't possibly take any faster without leaving knee, elbow, & shoulder pads/skin behind PLUS a bunch of scraped metal, skin, & brown coloured adrenaline stains leaking all over everything too!! :shocked: .

It's a wonderful thing to see, and even better to do - it's something that just about any Spyder Ryder can aim for, and even this aging & increasingly decrepit Spyder Ryder can at least start to achieve a part of that capability!! :thumbup: . None of the (supposedly ) 'Fast Riders' in any of our local riding groups try to put Spyders up the back of their ride groups any more, 'cos that's a trike & trikes are slow' - they got embarrassed too often by me'n all the other old &/or decrepit riders on our Spyders moving up thru the pack & pushing the leaders to keep their speed up in the twisty bits to still do that!! :lecturef_smilie: . And while they thought THAT was embarrasing, the very first time they experienced our youngest (& most skilled/fastest/fearless ) Spyder Ryder hounding them mercilessly &/or passing them & then pulling away thru the twisties while they were pointlessly flogging their 'fast sport bikes' for more cornering speed, or trying to get outta the corners even half as fast as he did; only for him to slow up, pull over, and wait for them REALLY made them blush; but even that was nothing compared to watching their faces as he levered himself off his Spyder and swung his two useless legs into his wheelchair!! :yikes: They don't call Spyders 'old men's trikes' or 'slow' any more in this part of the World! :2thumbs:


So Just DO IT Kromm!! :thumbup: . You know you want to, so stop dithering and BUY THE DAMN SPYDER!! :yes: hyea: :thumbup:

They might not be quite the same as your FJR Kromm, but once you come to terms with the differences, learn how great their brakes really are, fit a good set of tires, and really start to explore the Spyders limits & your capabilities, there's nothing faster or more stable & sure footed thru the twisties IF you want to work at it that hard & achieve that level of skill & capability. And if you don't, you can still just ryde it and enjoy the Miles of Smiles these things can bring!! hyea: . They AREN'T just a bike for old geezers & they don't pretend to be; they are a phenomenal machine in their own right with a different set of capabilities that take a bit of getting used to, but once you do get used to them, you'll very likely enjoy every last second you can get on one - & maybe even blow some of those so called 'fast sports bike riders' into the weeds thru the twisties! :shocked: . It might take a bit of time/miles & the right mind-set, but if you give it that time & work at it with a will, there's just nothing like Spyder Ryding! :2thumbs:

:cheers:

 

[Kromm]

Thank you all again for all the input. I have a dealer here in town that has a few RT Limited in stock (or according to their web sight they do). I think I'll go and have a chat with them about some of my Maintenance costs questions (which is not a deal breaker). That being said, I do most of my own basic maintenance (oil and tune-up) my self. When it comes to tires and and any other more complicated issues, I prefer to let let the shop deal with it. I am going to sign up both the wife and I for the rider course. The price is very reasonable ($50) for a 4 hour class. That will probably be sometime in Aug. Then I will make my final decision on what I will be getting.
From what I have read, the Baja Ron sway bar sounds like a good upgrade. The RLS Exhaust Cat Delete/Bypass looks interesting, but I live I California and don't know if I can. I'm not into "Loud Pipes" but I like a little rumble. And maybe the handle bar extensions. I am 6'2" and I have found that the extra couple of inches make a difference.
I live about 2 hours away from Hollister (Corbin). I have had Corbin seats an my last 4 bikes. But I have found out that the best way to get a seat from them is not to get a "off the shelf thru the mail" seat. But make an appointment and go have it made. When you do it that way can stand right next to them every step of the way. As they are shaping it before it is covered you can tell them what you are wanting in your seat. Then before it gets covered they let you try it out. Take it for a ride and if there are any issues they adjust it. Not enough padding they add more, Rub you in a bad spot they trim it down. When It's to your liking then you select the covering you like and then you can watch them cut out the leather and sew it to fit your seat and put it on the seat itself. When you get done you have a fully customized seat, to your liking.

Thank you all again for the Info, And I am looking forward to joining your ranks as a Spyder owner..

 

[Kromm]

Thank you Peter Aawen. That's some of the more detailed info I was wanting about the handling. Even though I'm on a bike not considered to be a sport bike (In case you don't know much about the FJR the It leans heavily on the Sport of the Sport Touring category its in). I can keep pace with most sport riders. My best friend and ridding buddy has a Blackbird and he usually likes me to take point and set the pace. He tells me I make him push himself a bit. But also I tell everyone that rides with us not to exceed their skill level. if you not comfortable with he pace we are setting. we will stop and let you catch up .

 

[blacklightning]

Thank you Peter Aawen. That's some of the more detailed info I was wanting about the handling. Even though I'm on a bike not considered to be a sport bike (In case you don't know much about the FJR the It leans heavily on the Sport of the Sport Touring category its in). I can keep pace with most sport riders. My best friend and ridding buddy has a Blackbird and he usually likes me to take point and set the pace. He tells me I make him push himself a bit. But also I tell everyone that rides with us not to exceed their skill level. if you not comfortable with he pace we are setting. we will stop and let you catch up .

I agree with what Peter is saying also. Although I do not ride with too many sport bikes, when I do, they are amazed at the speed that i can take the corners at. I am also into sport touring, as I have a BMW K1600B, which is very close to the FJR, although the FJR might be a little sportier. When I am going fast on mountain roads that could have unpredictable conditions, I feel more comfortable on my spyder, as it is better for the unpredicted wash over that you might come across on mountain roads after a rain. Welcome to the family.
BTW, I do not do my own maintenance, but the spyder maintenance is actually cheaper than the BMW.

 

[MNF3]

Make sure you ride both the RT and the F3 before you buy. Seating is very different. I like the F3. Only a good rider on a crotch rocket can keep up with the F3 in the twisties. Drive it like snowmobile and you are good to go!

 

[LoewRider1]

Took the Riders course last year. We trained on Rykers not Spyders but the learning concept is the same for any 3 wheeler. I've been focused on the RTL for almost a year now. Some people think I'm crazy as I just turned 60 and am now the proud owner of a new 2022 Spyder RTL . I'm learning more and more about the Spyder World... thanks to posts such as yours. I've had my RT going on 3 weeks now and love every opportunity I get to ride (Baby Steps). I also love posts like this. The Best Experience is from those like yourself who have been riding for awhile. I have so much to learn and realize that this site is the place to do it. Oh....and thanks for posting your age....now I know I'm not crazy!!!! Appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Stay Safe.

 

[Peacekeeper6]

Thank you all again for all the input. I have a dealer here in town that has a few RT Limited in stock (or according to their web sight they do). I think I'll go and have a chat with them about some of my Maintenance costs questions (which is not a deal breaker). That being said, I do most of my own basic maintenance (oil and tune-up) my self. When it comes to tires and and any other more complicated issues, I prefer to let let the shop deal with it. I am going to sign up both the wife and I for the rider course. The price is very reasonable ($50) for a 4 hour class. That will probably be sometime in Aug. Then I will make my final decision on what I will be getting.
From what I have read, the Baja Ron sway bar sounds like a good upgrade. The RLS Exhaust Cat Delete/Bypass looks interesting, but I live I California and don't know if I can. I'm not into "Loud Pipes" but I like a little rumble. And maybe the handle bar extensions. I am 6'2" and I have found that the extra couple of inches make a difference.
I live about 2 hours away from Hollister (Corbin). I have had Corbin seats an my last 4 bikes. But I have found out that the best way to get a seat from them is not to get a "off the shelf thru the mail" seat. But make an appointment and go have it made. When you do it that way can stand right next to them every step of the way. As they are shaping it before it is covered you can tell them what you are wanting in your seat. Then before it gets covered they let you try it out. Take it for a ride and if there are any issues they adjust it. Not enough padding they add more, Rub you in a bad spot they trim it down. When It's to your liking then you select the covering you like and then you can watch them cut out the leather and sew it to fit your seat and put it on the seat itself. When you get done you have a fully customized seat, to your liking.

Thank you all again for the Info, And I am looking forward to joining your ranks as a Spyder owner..

I installed both on my '18 RTL. Read all about those mods on this thread.

I suggest you test ride ALL available models, with some emphasis on the F3, since you're into sportriding. IMHO, it handles just a tad better than the RT because it's lower to the ground.

Good luck, and let us know what you finally decided on.

 

[RayBJ]

Kromm quote: I enjoy some “sport“ riding but I do a lot of touring also, an average day out on the bike we cover about 300 miles. I like to take long trips on my bike.

The RT is best for touring and only gives up a small 'punch' over the F3. Personally, my RT keeps up with my Beemer Buds just fine and nips their heels in the tighter twisties.

 

[Peacekeeper6]

Took the Riders course last year. We trained on Rykers not Spyders but the learning concept is the same for any 3 wheeler. I've been focused on the RTL for almost a year now. Some people think I'm crazy as I just turned 60 and am now the proud owner of a new 2022 Spyder RTL . I'm learning more and more about the Spyder World... thanks to posts such as yours. I've had my RT going on 3 weeks now and love every opportunity I get to ride (Baby Steps). I also love posts like this. The Best Experience is from those like yourself who have been riding for awhile. I have so much to learn and realize that this site is the place to do it. Oh....and thanks for posting your age....now I know I'm not crazy!!!! Appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Stay Safe.

60 is nothing.

I’ve heard of riders in their mid-70s, some close to 80, who hopped on a Spyder and having the time of their lives !!

 

[Peter Aawen]

Took the Riders course last year. We trained on Rykers not Spyders but the learning concept is the same for any 3 wheeler. I've been focused on the RTL for almost a year now. Some people think I'm crazy as I just turned 60 and am now the proud owner of a new 2022 Spyder RTL . I'm learning more and more about the Spyder World... thanks to posts such as yours. .......

60 is nothing.

I’ve heard of riders in their mid-70s, some close to 80, who hopped on a Spyder and having the time of their lives !!

Yep, True that! :thumbup: Besides, I'm told that 60 is the new 40! hyea:

And I'm not so far past 60 that I can't remember the few years back to when we had a number of Spyder Ryders here who were fairly regular posters & ryders & well into their 90's!! I believe it's only been the issues & risks of travelling & mingling freely with others over the last couple of years that slowed them down & caused them to hang up their Spyder Keys! :lecturef_smilie:

You don't get old and stop riding - you get old because you stop riding! :banghead:


And of course, it doesn't matter how old you are, just.....


RYDE MORE, WORRY LESS! hyea: