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Spyder RT and Honda ST
- Thread starter Lamonster
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spyderlover2
Guest
hey Lamonster, put the RT next to a BMW K1200LT, or maybe a Goldwing (not the trike). i think the LT's tail lights are even more similar.
very nice pics, and the colors are WAY similar! :2thumbs:
very nice pics, and the colors are WAY similar! :2thumbs:
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spyderlover2
Guest
PS...the RT is way cool, even next to an awesome tested and tried machine like the ST. :firstplace: i cant wait til i get the chance to own one.
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spyderlover2
Guest
basically the same, but imagine the RT took the BMW's rear end and split it down the middle and widened it too! its basically the same...i think so anyways,:dontknow: whadaya think?? :2thumbs:
vtrider
Member
SpyderGirl and her SO just left my place and he was riding the Honda ST. It looks like the RT could be the ST's three legged brother.
I used to have that same black Honda ST1300. I traded it for my spyder. It was a real nice bike and I kind of miss it in some ways. that electric lift windshield was a real nice feature, as I'm sure it is on the RT Spyder.
ataDude
Mod Maniac
I had a blue, 2004 ST. And, you're right... great bike... great windshield. :2thumbs:
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BLACK WIDOW
New member
BMW GOLDWING
You know, you are right. The RT is a 3 wheel Goldbmwing. Or something like that.
basically the same, but imagine the RT took the BMW's rear end and split it down the middle and widened it too! its basically the same...i think so anyways,:dontknow: whadaya think?? :2thumbs:
You know, you are right. The RT is a 3 wheel Goldbmwing. Or something like that.
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spyderlover2
Guest
:roflblack: nice one!
i see it as a top of the line cycle that has its own style. i posted those pics to kinda compare...but now i am not sure! it does look similar to other 2 wheelers, but still maintains its own awesome look! i like that too! i am just frustrated that i cant get one yet! plus, it kinda does need a 1200-1300 v-twin! that would make it over the top for me! i might just have to win the lottery and buy one...:roflblack:
RoadRunner
New member
If only we could get those two to mate, we'd have a piece-de-resistance! Give that RT a heart transplant with the ST's 1300 V4 and she'd be a force to reckon with! I have an '03 ST and very much enjoy the bike. It is heavy for a two wheeler (over 700 lbs.) but very much spirited, (not as much as a Yamaha FJR, which is a SPORT-Tourer; the ST is a Sport-TOURER. The others on here that had ST's can attest to that). Mine has a factory topbox, and with that, it looks even more like a distant cousin of the RT. Much discussion exist on here about the RT possibly needing more power, and I believe that Rotax is more inefficient than most - I think the ST's V4 is the answer! In fact, if I were to ever come across an RT with a blown motor, I'd seriously consider buying it and take the V4 out of my ST and perform the transplant surgery! The result would be a trike with soul, and better gas mileage to boot! And...no concern about running 100K miles and beyond! :2thumbs:
By the way, ST's are only available in one color/year also. You want a different color? Hope next year's model is the one you want! And the power winshield? - love it, and I thought it was going to be a toy I wouldn't use as part of the ABS package. I use it all the time!
Nonetheless, I'm interested in the RT....only time will tell if I swallow the hook completely! I appreciate this group and their honesty - not to mention their humor!
By the way, ST's are only available in one color/year also. You want a different color? Hope next year's model is the one you want! And the power winshield? - love it, and I thought it was going to be a toy I wouldn't use as part of the ABS package. I use it all the time!
Nonetheless, I'm interested in the RT....only time will tell if I swallow the hook completely! I appreciate this group and their honesty - not to mention their humor!
BajaRon
Well-known member
Have you ridden the RT?
How can people say it needs a bigger motor until they ride it?
I can understand that some may THINK it needs a bigger motor (as I did). But without riding it there is really no way to know.
I rode quite a few miles behind Lamont and his new RT the other day. After riding several thousand miles behind Lamont I have a pretty good feel for how fast he is on his SM5.
The RT has a re-configured Rotax and I'd say it's at least as fast in most situations as the SM5. Top end may suffer a bit but do you really need to do 120mph with your wife on the back?
Now I'm always for more power so don't get me wrong. On the other hand, let's ride the RT before we bash the engine. It's not the same power plant we have in the Spyder we're riding now.
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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Well said, Ron. I have been wondering how to counter all this negative talk about the power, when folks haven't even ridden the RT yet, and almost all motorcycles these days are vastly overpowered for legal speeds and the jobs they were designed to do. You expressed my feelings nicely. Thanks.
RoadRunner
New member
Not bashing... just dreaming! And admittedly, I'm a MAJOR Honda fan, (I've own(ed) too many Honda cars, bikes, and outdoor power products to count!). I've not ridden an RT, so yes, your admonishment is somewhat deserved. I have ridden an RS, but it was during a factory demo group ride so the course and speed were very conservative so I really didn't get a chance to sense what the Rotax could do. My comments were basically based on comments Fred and Lamont have made about a desire for improved passing speed on their RTs. This is where the ST's V4 shines, IMHO. As someone else has said, horsepower will get you out of trouble more than it will get you into trouble. My comments about fuel efficiently are also based on numbers others have posted here. With two-up on my ST, (about 400 lbs. of humans), fully loaded saddle bags and top box, and over 700 lbs. of bike, I still would get mid-upper 40's on freeway - and 300 mile range.
...and I did say, and still say after all that, that I'm interested in the RT and hope to demo one next spring.
...and I did say, and still say after all that, that I'm interested in the RT and hope to demo one next spring.
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spyderlover2
Guest
nice posts people! :clap:
i think that all of the negative posts are because of some of the past problems others have had on their Spyder's they have now.
the RT has been reconfigured. we do need to give it a chance first. and if 2 riders that have been riding for years say that it has plenty of power for what its designed for, and they have also tested the RT, then we need to take their advice and consider their years of experience riding and trust what they say. why else do we think they gave one to Lamont in the first place....TO TEST IT! he has had nothing but great things to say about it. plus, what about all of the glowing reports from all of those who have seen it now, that are on this site too, that went to the BBQ at Lamonts pad!
i agree that most bikes today have way more power than they actually need! i dont know of any place in the USA that you can legally ride over 70mph anyways. anything over that is just spoiling ourselves and risking others at the same time.
i also believe that people just arent sold on the reliability of the Rotax! i know i'm not. we all seem to be used to all of the other types of engines like honda's and all of the rest! plus, we dont really know of anyone that has broken 100,000 miles with a Rotax without having something go wrong.
we all just need to realize that this cycle called Spyder, is still very new. its only in its 2nd and 3rd year of existance. i believe that the technology BRP has put into this awesome machine and made it affordable to the general public is quite a leap. and i haven't really seen too many real problems with the Spyder's yet. i have seen various recalls, hot feet, some expensive repairs and fixes, and that sort of thing, but those bugs are working themselves out.
dont get me wrong, i would like to see a bit more power in the RT myself because i tend to like to get out ahead of everyone on the road, with a nice quiet ride like the ST's or BMW's. thats just my opinion! but i also know that the RT will have enough power to keep up with traffic and more. called me spoiled but i like having that little bit of an edge on my side.
not to mention...there are mods out there that can get Spyder riders a bit more power. why BRP doesnt make the Spyder with that much power added in the first place is beyond me, but i dont own a business either, so maybe thats part of my misunderstanding.
lets just concentrate on getting the RT out in the marketplace first and then just see how well its received by the ones here on these forums that can afford them! i trust Lamonts opinions and years of experience.
i have been searching for a ride EXACTLY like the new RT-S, so i would be the first one to be very very disappointed if it turned out to be a lemon, AND, the first to come on here and let everyone know how i feel too. then i would tear into BRP.
for now...i am very pro-RT-S because i like what i see and hear about it! at least until i ride one. then that will be the true test for me!
i can't bust on any ride until I RIDE IT FIRST!
i can say what i would prefer to see or hear, or the kind of ride i would like to feel cruising down the road, but i cannot bust on a ride and have it defeated before it even makes it to the sales floor.
lets give this new ride a chance!
i LOVE all the opinions on here, and all of the caring and very helpful people on this site. i have never been a part of something like this before, but then again, this site has a ton of people who really care for their fellow riders. this is why i joined this site!
address the negative but stay positive out there. :chat:
all of the above is just my opinion! :2thumbs:
i think that all of the negative posts are because of some of the past problems others have had on their Spyder's they have now.
the RT has been reconfigured. we do need to give it a chance first. and if 2 riders that have been riding for years say that it has plenty of power for what its designed for, and they have also tested the RT, then we need to take their advice and consider their years of experience riding and trust what they say. why else do we think they gave one to Lamont in the first place....TO TEST IT! he has had nothing but great things to say about it. plus, what about all of the glowing reports from all of those who have seen it now, that are on this site too, that went to the BBQ at Lamonts pad!
i agree that most bikes today have way more power than they actually need! i dont know of any place in the USA that you can legally ride over 70mph anyways. anything over that is just spoiling ourselves and risking others at the same time.
i also believe that people just arent sold on the reliability of the Rotax! i know i'm not. we all seem to be used to all of the other types of engines like honda's and all of the rest! plus, we dont really know of anyone that has broken 100,000 miles with a Rotax without having something go wrong.
we all just need to realize that this cycle called Spyder, is still very new. its only in its 2nd and 3rd year of existance. i believe that the technology BRP has put into this awesome machine and made it affordable to the general public is quite a leap. and i haven't really seen too many real problems with the Spyder's yet. i have seen various recalls, hot feet, some expensive repairs and fixes, and that sort of thing, but those bugs are working themselves out.
dont get me wrong, i would like to see a bit more power in the RT myself because i tend to like to get out ahead of everyone on the road, with a nice quiet ride like the ST's or BMW's. thats just my opinion! but i also know that the RT will have enough power to keep up with traffic and more. called me spoiled but i like having that little bit of an edge on my side.
not to mention...there are mods out there that can get Spyder riders a bit more power. why BRP doesnt make the Spyder with that much power added in the first place is beyond me, but i dont own a business either, so maybe thats part of my misunderstanding.
lets just concentrate on getting the RT out in the marketplace first and then just see how well its received by the ones here on these forums that can afford them! i trust Lamonts opinions and years of experience.
i have been searching for a ride EXACTLY like the new RT-S, so i would be the first one to be very very disappointed if it turned out to be a lemon, AND, the first to come on here and let everyone know how i feel too. then i would tear into BRP.
for now...i am very pro-RT-S because i like what i see and hear about it! at least until i ride one. then that will be the true test for me!
i can't bust on any ride until I RIDE IT FIRST!
i can say what i would prefer to see or hear, or the kind of ride i would like to feel cruising down the road, but i cannot bust on a ride and have it defeated before it even makes it to the sales floor.
lets give this new ride a chance!
i LOVE all the opinions on here, and all of the caring and very helpful people on this site. i have never been a part of something like this before, but then again, this site has a ton of people who really care for their fellow riders. this is why i joined this site!
address the negative but stay positive out there. :chat:
all of the above is just my opinion! :2thumbs:
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spyderlover2
Guest
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
There is a lot more involved in fuel mileage than weight or displacement alone. The biggest offender is drag. This is compounded by speed. You will never find a three wheeled vehicle with open suspension that will get anywhere near as good of mileage as a fully faired two wheeler. A faired bike will always get better mileage than an identical naked bike. You will also never find a bike with a top box that gets as good of mileage as a comparable bike without one. It's a simple matter of physics. Now I know there are four wheelers that are heavier still, that can get better mileage. This is primarily done by streamlining and aerodynamics. The plain and simple fact is that aerodynamically, like many other vehicles, the Spyder is "dirty." If we want the stability and the looks, we have to accept the trade-off.
BTW, I don't think it is really fair to compare a full touring machine like the RT-S, GW, or BMW LT to a Sport-TOURER or SPORT-Tourer like the ST, BMW RT, etc., especially in terms of performance.
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