Parts shortage for older models now with the 2014's in production?

[finless]

I have to say I am a little worried about this change over.
That is engine parts!
With the manufacturing line now focusing on making 2014's and the new 3 cylinder engines (I do not know how many parts are cross compatible), isn't everyone with 2013's or below worried? Will they make new parts or just use up inventory until they are gone?

It is clear reading posts here that some parts are not stocked even by the BEST dealers. I see down times waiting for parts from BRP as a problem. I use my Spyder every day and commute to work on it! Being down waiting for a part for 2 weeks is not good but something I will have to accept when it happens. I won't be happy but that's the choice I made knowing this is an issue. I even read a few months back that BRP responded to this complaint saying air shipping from where they were in Canada was a problem and that during 2013 they would be working on a warehouse in USA. Did that ever happen or will it?

But back to my point. Is anyone else worried that unique parts for pre-2014 might become a problem long term? If they are not making them anymore, what will happen? I know some will say they will keep a small line going but I call BS on that.
I could see down times of a month or more while they re-manufacture a part, pull inventory from other countries, etc, etc, etc...

In the USA you cannot sell a product here and not supply parts for anything less than 5 years. 7 years if there is any military contract involved.
But nothing in that law states how long it will take to get one. They could be forced to re-start a manufacturing line but that would take a Class Action Suite guarantied!

I am not worried right now but sorry to say I am seriously worried say 2-3 years from now.

Or does anyone care? I plan to own my Spyder for at least 5 years at a minimum...But I am concerned. I don't want to be forced into buying a new model because of a parts issue with a perfectly good Sypder!

Am I all wet or not? Just thinking of the future and my investment.

Bob

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

PARTS

I have to say I am a little worried about this change over.
That is engine parts!
With the manufacturing line now focusing on making 2014's and the new 3 cylinder engines (I do not know how many parts are cross compatible), isn't everyone with 2013's or below worried? Will they make new parts or just use up inventory until they are gone?

It is clear reading posts here that some parts are not stocked even by the BEST dealers. I see down times waiting for parts from BRP as a problem. I use my Spyder every day and commute to work on it! Being down waiting for a part for 2 weeks is not good but something I will have to accept when it happens. I won't be happy but that's the choice I made knowing this is an issue. I even read a few months back that BRP responded to this complaint saying air shipping from where they were in Canada was a problem and that during 2013 they would be working on a warehouse in USA. Did that ever happen or will it?

But back to my point. Is anyone else worried that unique parts for pre-2014 might become a problem long term? If they are not making them anymore, what will happen? I know some will say they will keep a small line going but I call BS on that.
I could see down times of a month or more while they re-manufacture a part, pull inventory from other countries, etc, etc, etc...

In the USA you cannot sell a product here and not supply parts for anything less than 5 years. 7 years if there is any military contract involved.
But nothing in that law states how long it will take to get one. They could be forced to re-start a manufacturing line but that would take a Class Action Suite guarantied!

I am not worried right now but sorry to say I am seriously worried say 2-3 years from now.

Or does anyone care? I plan to own my Spyder for at least 5 years at a minimum...But I am concerned. I don't want to be forced into buying a new model because of a parts issue with a perfectly good Sypder!

Am I all wet or not? Just thinking of the future and my investment.

Bob

..I don't think this is going to be an issue APRILA still uses this engine as far as I know and besides if you wanted to put a 998 engine together from the PARTS BIN it would cost approx. $40,000.....so there is a large profit margin there .....Just sayin....Mike :thumbup:

 

[Chupaca]

Stocking..!!

seems they never did have a decent supply of part available to start with. Now maybe they will release the manufacturers to sell parts openly and we can get them elsewhere. Being a new engine I don't think they are worrying about stocking parts for them as yet. Jmo...:dontknow:

 

[NancysToy]

In the USA you cannot sell a product here and not supply parts for anything less than 5 years. 7 years if there is any military contract involved.

Actually you can...you just have to prove (as in "say") that there is no longer a substantial demand for the parts. It is a worry, especially with a low production vehicle.

 

[finless]

Actually you can...you just have to prove (as in "say") that there is no longer a substantial demand for the parts. It is a worry, especially with a low production vehicle.

No I do not think that is correct. You first have to announce a EOL (End Of Life). Then after you announce EOL you must be able to supply parts for 5 years after the EOL announcement.

At least this is true in my business, which is a commodity now called Copiers and Laser Printers.
I was told this by a corporate lawyer that US LAW states this EOL announcement period and the 5 year requirement!
I have to assume a "vehicle" is the same requirement!

But let me state... The government will not go after a company that doesn't follow this! They CAN get away with it and small manufacturers do all the time! Only users complaints to government (which will mostly go unanswered) and possibly a class action, IF IT HAPPENS, can force this. So while it is required, it does not mean it happens or is the norm.

Again, I am worried! As you say Scotty, a limited production run! Which sorry to tell people these are not cars and we are a niche market. So I think Scotty might be confirming this is a possibility? Scotty?

Bob

 

[Bob Denman]

Bob,
You can ride; you can worry...
Which would you rather be doing right now?
(I don't mean this to sound trite :shocked:... but enjoy the bike! :thumbup

 

[DR Buck]

Engine parts should be the least problem. Body and frame parts should be a concern. I think BRP uses the 998 in Ski Doo & Sea Doo and there are 10s of thousands of them out there. The parts supply chain for the engine will most likely continue without much change.

 

[boborgera]

Hey, Like Bob said;; Whatareyouworriedabout???

If push comes to shove and you can't get parts, Get a new Spyder.
They'll be happy to sell you a new one..
There are more importation things to worry about; ie, Like What weight oil will the,
2015 Spyders use......

 

[billybovine]

I have to say I am a little worried about this change over.
That is engine parts!
With the manufacturing line now focusing on making 2014's and the new 3 cylinder engines (I do not know how many parts are cross compatible), isn't everyone with 2013's or below worried? Will they make new parts or just use up inventory until they are gone?

It is clear reading posts here that some parts are not stocked even by the BEST dealers. I see down times waiting for parts from BRP as a problem. I use my Spyder every day and commute to work on it! Being down waiting for a part for 2 weeks is not good but something I will have to accept when it happens. I won't be happy but that's the choice I made knowing this is an issue. I even read a few months back that BRP responded to this complaint saying air shipping from where they were in Canada was a problem and that during 2013 they would be working on a warehouse in USA. Did that ever happen or will it?

But back to my point. Is anyone else worried that unique parts for pre-2014 might become a problem long term? If they are not making them anymore, what will happen? I know some will say they will keep a small line going but I call BS on that.
I could see down times of a month or more while they re-manufacture a part, pull inventory from other countries, etc, etc, etc...

In the USA you cannot sell a product here and not supply parts for anything less than 5 years. 7 years if there is any military contract involved.
But nothing in that law states how long it will take to get one. They could be forced to re-start a manufacturing line but that would take a Class Action Suite guarantied!

I am not worried right now but sorry to say I am seriously worried say 2-3 years from now.

Or does anyone care? I plan to own my Spyder for at least 5 years at a minimum...But I am concerned. I don't want to be forced into buying a new model because of a parts issue with a perfectly good Sypder!

Am I all wet or not? Just thinking of the future and my investment.

Bob

I don't understand your concern. The 991 series engine is still in production for 2014 for RS's and ST's and I think this will continue for some years to come. Given BRP history for providing parts for decades after production has stopped on an item, I am thinking they will continue to do so. There have been a lot of threads about parts not being available and if that happened to me me I would be pissed. In the twenty years of of owning BRP products i cannot recall having to wait more than 1 business day for a part.

 

[sledmaster]

Should not be an issue

When first read this thread, I really wondered if this was serious? I mean like, what kind of parts are we talking about? When an OEM goes to build next year's models they are not robbing the parts bins of spares. They have new stock coming in that is used for the production line. The 990 and 991 engines have been in production for long enough and there are enough of them out there that this should be a complete non-issue. We have never had an issue getting spare parts for our Ski-Doo snowmobiles, with the exception being recall items where every single unit needs to have a specific part replaced all at the same time, then there can be an issue with the stream of parts coming from the supplier. BRP doesn't make many parts themselves, most are sourced globally from suppliers and manufactures everywhere. If one supplier drops the ball, another one is sourced. This is common practice. Maybe if we're talking about a specific color of a body panel of a model that very few were built, then I could see a potential availability issue in the future, but to suggest parts will be difficult to get because of a production run of 2014s? Seriously? I would dismiss that as an invalid concern. Every time I have ever ordered part for a BRP product I get it quickly, 2-3 days MAX. :thumbup:

 

[Jeriatric]

Legitamate concern.

Unfortunately, only time will tell. :doorag:

 

[bluestratos]

The big markup is on parts from what I have learned so the real profit potential will be as the bikes get older in my mind.

 

[bobnaquin]

Actually you can...you just have to prove (as in "say") that there is no longer a substantial demand for the parts. It is a worry, especially with a low production vehicle.

I agree with Nancy'sToy here. As far as I know the manufacturer is only obligated to supply parts during the warranty period. That's a legal obligation. After that I believe they supply them because there is money to be made. And when that is no longer a viable option there are after market manufacturers that will supply parts as long as there is money to be made. Of course the cost goes up accordingly. I have heard that 5 or 7 year thing often but believe that it is an urban myth. Anyone have any proof otherwise?

I have a 2008 GS and running out of parts is not a big concern for me.

 

[finless]

OK I will stop worrying then :yes:

I did not know about sea doo's being the same etc...

Bob

 

[Bob Denman]

 

[NancysToy]

No I do not think that is correct. You first have to announce a EOL (End Of Life). Then after you announce EOL you must be able to supply parts for 5 years after the EOL announcement.

At least this is true in my business, which is a commodity now called Copiers and Laser Printers.
I was told this by a corporate lawyer that US LAW states this EOL announcement period and the 5 year requirement!
I have to assume a "vehicle" is the same requirement!

But let me state... The government will not go after a company that doesn't follow this! They CAN get away with it and small manufacturers do all the time! Only users complaints to government (which will mostly go unanswered) and possibly a class action, IF IT HAPPENS, can force this. So while it is required, it does not mean it happens or is the norm.

Again, I am worried! As you say Scotty, a limited production run! Which sorry to tell people these are not cars and we are a niche market. So I think Scotty might be confirming this is a possibility? Scotty?

Bob

You may be quite correct from a legal standpoint, but auto manufacturers do this all the time, with no consequences. I have had it happen when I tried to get parts for a three year old Ford truck...with no alternative.

Is it possible, or even likely? I would say "Yes". Does it worry me? Not really. It will irritate me if it comes to pass. It will make me sad if all the original owners are abandoned if they aren't interested in their cherished ride being turned into a throw away. On the other hand, I have a garage full of obsolete machines. Keeping them running can be a challenge, but it is possible. Unfortunately, it is easier with those simple bikes. The electronics make everything these days vulnerable to premature obsolescence.

 

[DrewNJ]

OK I will stop worrying then :yes:

I did not know about sea doo's being the same etc...

Bob

Seadoos are not the same. Not really even close...lol. There are only a handful of parts that directly overlap, like the coolant bottle....
The new Spark is close with a smaller Ace motor but it's not even out yet. But that has nothing to do with the older models.

Don't over think it. Manufacturers change designs and models all the time. The only "parts shortage" I've ever heard of is when Polaris ditched their watercraft production parts became scarce.


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[jerpinoy]

Now you can stop worrying about parts.
Remember don't fix if ain't broke. Have fun ridding.

 

[Dan McNally]

I refuse to worry about things that (1) have not yet happened, and (2) over which I have no control! It makes life less stressful!

 

[ARtraveler]

I refuse to worry about things that (1) have not yet happened, and (2) over which I have no control! It makes life less stressful!

:agree: