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BajaRon

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5,550 safe, enjoyable miles out to CA and back. Just got in last night. Great trip! Got to meet a few great SpyderLovers along the way.

Wish I could have made the big event in Hollywood to meet everyone. But family (Niece's Wedding) has to come first.

There were a few "Firsts" for me on this trip. Braking into a Bushtec trailer with brute force at the hotel in Flagstaff, very memorable! Man that thing was tough! And who carries a claw hammer in a M/C tool kit!? I met someone who does!

Long distance on the Spyder is no problem, what a great machine! Here are some things that I discovered.

Fuel - I have always wondered how our 10.8:1 compression ratio lives happily with 87 octane. Never made sense to me. So I dicided to do a mileage test. I-40 is basically flat, straight and a good way to give each grade a fair try. My reasoning... If higher octane gives me more power then I should be able to go farther on the same amount of fuel (better mileage).

I rounded everything off to .5 mpg.

87 Octane - I ran this the 1st day and half the 2nd day (1300+ miles) and averaged 33.5 mpg. Very consistant. High was 35, low was 33. I ran this grade on the return trip with pretty much the same results.

89 Octane - I ran this the 2nd half of the 2nd day and all the 3rd day (1200+ miles). I did a bit better but not enough to make much difference. I did have a high was 40 mpg but several runs of 33 & 34 mpg brought this down. Low was 32 mpg. Average was 34 mpg, 1 mpg better overall than 87 octane. I ran this grade on the return trip with pretty much the same results.

92/93 Octane - I almost didn't give this grade a try. After virtually no difference (coming or going) with mid-grade I didn't figure I'd do much more than spend more money. But I decided to give it a try on the last day coming back (700+ miles).

My 1st tank didn't impress, 32.5 mpg. I'd put about 4 gallons of Premium on top of the Mid-Grade remaining in the tank. I don't think this should have made a huge difference but maybe it did.

My subsequent runs with Premium were better. 35 mpg, 38 mpg, 36 mpg, 35.5 mpg and 35 mpg. This averages out 35.5 including the first run of 32.5 mpg (with my rounding to .5 mpg).

Not a huge improvement over Mid-Grade but if you throw out the low 32.5 run it looks better. I have a 1200 mile round-trip to Lansing Michigan planned for later this month. I will give Premium Grade fuel another shot.

I've made several mods to my Spyder (OK, well, Lamont has made several of them for me...I'm a BUSY GUY!) Here is a list of how some of the more important mods worked.

What Worked
Risers: A great mod! More comfort for the long haul, better steering control, better seating position. I can highly recommend this one.

Handlebar Mount Mirrors: This really completes the riser mod. It gets the mirrors up an over your hands and shoulders and closer to your face. Though the mirror size is virtually the same as stock you get a much bigger, clearer view of what is behind you. And I got less vibration buzz than with the extended stock mirrors.

It is great to be able to easily adjust the mirrors to get a different view when needed. And I also like that they move with the bars. It really helps with backing up.

NMN lights: Everything that No Magic Man makes works. That's just the way Evan runs his business. I've now got just about every light he offers and they are all great. I really like the mud flap LED set and the additional, center tail light. The LED turn signals also do a great job.

Red Line Water Wetter: With all the talk about overheating and a hot trip ahead we decided to give this a try. Drain out 1 quart of 50/50 anti-freeze, add 4 oz of Water Wetter and top off with distilled water. This gives you the optimum 30/70 mix.

It dropped both mine and Lamont's temps 1 bar. We were running 4~5 bars before the change and consistantly ran 3~4 bars after the change. We ran in temps up to 104 degrees.

Cruise Control: Long distance, I have a right shoulder that gives me fits of pain no matter what I ride, Spyder or 2 wheeler. I have never been able to figure out what causes it but I do know that getting my right hand off the bar helps immensily.

Throttle locks are great and I have used them in the past. But a true cruise control is what works best for me. I had the Audiovox CCS-100 Universal vacuum unit on my Spyder and it performed ok. There have been some dependability issues with this unit and I have always wanted to try an electric. I purchased and installed the new Electronic Universal unit on my Spyder just before this trip.

It took me several days because I tried every combination of mounting points, etc., that I could. Since it isn't specifically designed for the Spyder I had to experiment with several aspects. If I had it to do again I think it would be a 1/2 day job, since now I know what works well.

I used it all the way out and back from California. I'd guess I put at least 2,500 miles on my Spyder in CC mode. I have some complaints about how it functions but it may be a settings issue and not a problem with the unit. I need to experiment a little more with the DIP switches to see if I can get it to work a little better.

Can-Am Passenger Seat Bag: This is a great addition to get a bit more storage space on the Spyder without going the saddle bag or trailer route. The bag rides very well, is well made and has several handy features. It also works, somewhat, as a back rest.

I was a bit put off by the strap/latch mounting system because you have to release the two forward straps to open the seat for fueling. But as others have stated before, it really is not an issue. It takes 5 seconds to unlatch and it snaps back up just as quickly with no adjusting. I like the bag!

Well, the summer is yet young with plenty more riding to do. Hope to see some of you out there getting your fun's worth!
 
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It was great riding with you Ron. Hopefully I'll get to see you and lamonster again later this year during that Gatlinburg event. If you have any free time on your Lansing trip, maybe a couple of Michigan SpyderLovers and myself could meet you for lunch, dinner, a ride or something.
 
It was great riding with you Ron. Hopefully I'll get to see you and lamonster again later this year during that Gatlinburg event. If you have any free time on your Lansing trip, maybe a couple of Michigan SpyderLovers and myself could meet you for lunch, dinner, a ride or something.
+1 Let us know your plans.
-Scotty
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It was great riding with you Ron. Hopefully I'll get to see you and lamonster again later this year during that Gatlinburg event. If you have any free time on your Lansing trip, maybe a couple of Michigan SpyderLovers and myself could meet you for lunch, dinner, a ride or something.

It was great riding with you. Sorry I had to bail early on Wednesday but I had another 250 miles to get done from Hollywood.

I will be in Lansing the 18th of this month. Not sure how much spare time I will have but I would be up for a ride.
 
Ron, a quick question to throw a wrench in your mileage equations. I realize you stated you are getting a little better mileage per gallon with the premium, or so it would seem. Now the wrench, have you actually figured out the cost for the extra mileage? Is it worth it? I know around these parts Premium can be as much as .20 more per gallon than regular. That is about $1.20 per tankful (very approx numbers mind you) So figure about half a gallon or just under. At 30 mpg, that would be 15 miles per tank. So with these very rough figures, you have to get almost 3 mpg more per gallon of premium fuel to make it worth the purchase. So if you get an average of 34 mpg on regular you need to be consistently getting an average of 37 mpg on premium to make it worth the extra costs. Just some food for thought.
 
Ron, a quick question to throw a wrench in your mileage equations. I realize you stated you are getting a little better mileage per gallon with the premium, or so it would seem. Now the wrench, have you actually figured out the cost for the extra mileage? Is it worth it? I know around these parts Premium can be as much as .20 more per gallon than regular. That is about $1.20 per tankful (very approx numbers mind you) So figure about half a gallon or just under. At 30 mpg, that would be 15 miles per tank. So with these very rough figures, you have to get almost 3 mpg more per gallon of premium fuel to make it worth the purchase. So if you get an average of 34 mpg on regular you need to be consistently getting an average of 37 mpg on premium to make it worth the extra costs. Just some food for thought.

Yes, I considered this aspect (not a wrench at all). There are 2 ways to look at this. If Premium does give better performance how much is that worth? Some would take the extra "GO" and not worry about saving money or even breaking even on fuel cost.

My numbers aren't reliable enough to make any real conclusions as to al mileage increase with Premium fuel. I figure a 3 mpg improvement would probably put me into the break even ball park.

On our trip to CA we were paying anywhere from $3.15 a gallon to $2.29 for regular fuel, so your break point will depend on what you pay for each grade and your personal MPG improvement. Premium was not always a percentage amount higher than regular. Premium was typically .20~.25 cents more a gallon even in the high priced states (like California).

Premium fuel also seemed to give me more power. But that could be a placebo effect. I did not have a chance to objectively gauge the power or performance aspect of each fuel.

If I can get a consistent 3 mpg improvement from premium fuel I will consider it worthwhile. I also want to play with my Juice Box settings. But I can't do both at the same time and still get apples and apples results.

My plan is to run Premium Fuel and my current Juice Box settings to Michigan. If I get similar mileage to what I got on yesterday's ride I will have confidence in the numbers.

Then I can play with the Juice Box settings on the way back. I'll be able to know what my Juice Box changes are doing. Mostly I just want to play with the Cruise setting as this will make the most MPG difference.

The only time I care about MPG is while crusing. When I'm slamming the throttle I don't really care how much fuel I am using.
 
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Yes, I considered this aspect (not a wrench at all). There are 2 ways to look at this. If Premium does give better performance how much is that worth? Some would take the extra "GO" and not worry about saving money or even breaking even on fuel cost.

My numbers aren't reliable enough to make any real conclusions as to al mileage increase with Premium fuel. I figure a 3 mpg improvement would probably put me into the break even ball park.

On our trip to CA we were paying anywhere from $3.15 a gallon to $2.29 for regular fuel, so your break point will depend on what you pay for each grade and your personal MPG improvement. Premium was not always a percentage amount higher than regular. Premium was typically .20~.25 cents more a gallon even in the high priced states (like California).

Premium fuel also seemed to give me more power. But that could be a placebo effect. I did not have a chance to objectively gauge the power or performance aspect of each fuel.

If I can get a consistent 3 mpg improvement from premium fuel I will consider it worthwhile. I also want to play with my Juice Box settings. But I can't do both at the same time and still get apples and apples results.

My plan is to run Premium Fuel and my current Juice Box settings to Michigan. If I get similar mileage to what I got on yesterday's ride I will have confidence in the numbers.

Then I can play with the Juice Box settings on the way back. I'll be able to know what my Juice Box changes are doing. Mostly I just want to play with the Cruise setting as this will make the most MPG difference.

The only time I care about MPG is while crusing. When I'm slamming the throttle I don't really care how much fuel I am using.
You are good Ron, so I will throw you a new wrench. This one should be helpful although it won't affect you in MI. We noticed in a number of states, the midgrade 89 Octane was cheaper than the regular 87 octane as the midgrade was the only one that said 10% ethanol. I believe almost all our fuel up here is 10% ethanol regardless of grade and midgrade is never cheaper, it may be the same price as regular sometimes but never cheaper. Regardless of my wrenches, keep us posted with your results. Also, let us know if you have some spare time in MI.
 
You are good Ron, so I will throw you a new wrench. This one should be helpful although it won't affect you in MI. We noticed in a number of states, the midgrade 89 Octane was cheaper than the regular 87 octane as the midgrade was the only one that said 10% ethanol. I believe almost all our fuel up here is 10% ethanol regardless of grade and midgrade is never cheaper, it may be the same price as regular sometimes but never cheaper. Regardless of my wrenches, keep us posted with your results. Also, let us know if you have some spare time in MI.

I have not seen (though I don't pay real close attention) any non-ethanol fuel. It is a fact that adding ethanol to fuel decreases power output and reduces mileage while increasing fuel cost. It takes more fossil fuel to extract the ethanol than you get back in energy from the ethanol extracted so there is no imported oil savings.

It is also known that ethanol attracts moisture which tends to be destructive to internal cumbustion engines.

All this while studies show that ethanol does not reduce emissions. What a great deal huh?

But, since the government always knows best, this lunacy was made law by our fearless (and mindless) leaders in Washington.

Who could ask for more?
 
From all the gas mileage posts I've read, it's hard to believe that octane level adds anything. Just my $0.02.

I have followed the fuel posts and I would have to agree. Honestly, I didn't think I would see any difference. But when you plan to ride that far on I-40 it helps to devise some plan to make the trip more interesting along the way.

It is true that the correct octane will give the best performance. And just because an engine will run on one octane does not mean it won't run better on another.

Most people don't get the chance to test fuels back to back over that kind of distance. I was very constant in how I topped off each tank. With a small tank like ours filling to the same point each time can make a big difference.

It may be nothing more than something to talk about. But it has got me curious.
 
From all the gas mileage posts I've read, it's hard to believe that octane level adds anything. Just my $0.02.
I'm guessing that BRP is backing off the timing to get the Spyder to run on 87 octane with a 10.8 to 1 compression motor. I don't see how that's a good thing but if we could advance the timing and use 91 in the Spyders we would see an increase in power and in fuel economy. On the Valkyries we would advance the timing 6 degrees and you would pick up a couple of ponies and about 2 to 4 mpg.
 
I'm guessing that BRP is backing off the timing to get the Spyder to run on 87 octane with a 10.8 to 1 compression motor. I don't see how that's a good thing but if we could advance the timing and use 91 in the Spyders we would see an increase in power and in fuel economy. On the Valkyries we would advance the timing 6 degrees and you would pick up a couple of ponies and about 2 to 4 mpg.

That would be my guess. You just don't see 10.8:1 compression engines running on 87 octane as a rule. Normally that would give you a lot of issues. So BRP must be coimpromising other parameters to get this combo to work as well as it does.

It may be that someone will build a chip for the Spyder. If timing is retarded that would really make a difference. But then you would have to run Premium fuel. I don't know that I have seen any spec on ignition timing.
 
I'm guessing that BRP is backing off the timing to get the Spyder to run on 87 octane with a 10.8 to 1 compression motor. I don't see how that's a good thing but if we could advance the timing and use 91 in the Spyders we would see an increase in power and in fuel economy. On the Valkyries we would advance the timing 6 degrees and you would pick up a couple of ponies and about 2 to 4 mpg.

Trigger wheel alert! :clap:

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