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Is this Goodbye for my GoPro Hero?

Spyder RTL

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I previously posted about how I mounted my GoPro Hero 3+ Black on our 2014 RT Limited (link below). Having the camera mounted to the bike made it easy for me to “bike power” the camera during extended rides. Yes, I know there some riders who prefer a helmet mounted camera. And that’s fine. To each his own. But this post is about a new camera; this is my “show and tell.”

While I was happy with this GoPro camera set-up, I always wished that the GoPro had a built-in GPS OR could somehow allow you to easily embed the GPS data from the Zumo into the GoPro video file. I have used RaceRender to merge the Zumo data with the GoPro footage. Although this worked, syncing the two files was troublesome at best.

I have tried other action cameras from Sony and VIO. When Garmin released their Virb camera, I did not care for the cigar shaped form factor. Well, Garmin just released their new Virb camera and it looked like I may have found THE replacement for the GoPro. I pre-ordered the Virb XE and I took delivery this past Saturday. Will the Virb XE replace my GoPro Hero? Let’s find out.

The GPS equipped Virb XE is wider and thicker than a naked GoPro. The camera does NOT have a case like the GoPro. Instead the camera is self-contained and is “waterproof to 50 meters without a dive case.” I found that the Virb XE will fit the GoPro mount so it was easy to mount on the RTL since I already had an adhesive GoPro mounting plate attached to the bike.
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But I may switch to the Garmin mount because it utilizes a cam-lock(?) type system that appears to be more secure. [Edit: I did switch to the Garmin mount]
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Warning: The following image contains a naked GoPro Hero. I don't want to offend anyone so I blurred out "those" parts.
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I recently changed our Zumo 660 to the Zumo 590. One reason for the change was for the 590’s ANT+ feature. ANT+ is a wireless protocol that allows me to pair the Virb XE to the Zumo 590. Once paired, I can remotely start/stop recording or snap a photo (this can be done in the map screen). Sadly, you can only pair one Virb camera to the Zumo. With GoPro, I can wirelessly control 2 cameras (front and rear facing) with their remote. If I bought the Garmin remote, then I could control multiple cameras. But I’m not there yet.

ANT+ also allowed me to pair 3 Garmin tire pressure monitor sensors to the 590. The tire pressure can be viewed in the Zumo and a warning can be set if the pressure gets too low. I am, however, annoyed by frequent warning messages that the Zumo has lost connection with a sensor. But I digress – this post is about the Virb XE. So...

Back to the camera. Unlike the GoPro remote that allows you to also power on and power off the camera, the Zumo can only start and stop recording. At first I was disappointed with this missing function. But I now realize it’s not a game changer.

The data that the Virb XE records includes date and time, position, elevation, speed, distance, bearing, G Force, and grade. I did find that the “distance” data field resets each time you turn off the camera. I wish it had a cumulative distance field with a manual reset.

Another sensor that I paired to the Virb XE was a temperature sensor. In my sample video (recorded in 1080p at 60 fps), you can see the ambient temperature and how it changed throughout my ride. I mounted the sensor under the passenger backrest for now. The sensor will always be out of direct sunlight in this location but I don’t know how having a passenger will affect the temperature accuracy. But then I’m not aiming for scientific accuracy – as long as I’m within the ballpark I'm okay with it.


I used the Garmin Virb Edit software (free download) to process the above video. The software is basic and I like how easy it is to change the “overlays.” The overlays are gauges and/or data fields that display the data recorded by the Virb XE. You can move the overlays anywhere and you specify which data field you want. There are pre-made templates or you can save your own.

I like the data that the Virb XE captures. I like how easy it is to manipulate the overlays in the Virb Edit software. So for now, the Garmin Virb XE has replaced the GoPro Hero. Sorry GoPro.

Garmin’s marketing tag is “Tell a better story. Without data, it’s just video.” I agree.

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Ryde Safe!
Dave
 

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Is it....

there are a lot of them out there now....:dontknow: I will hang on to my GoPro...:thumbup:
 
Looks like a good quality was taken before dumbed down by You Tube.

Two questions,

Sounded like the "gauges" could be set up to not show MPH.

Also, in regards to VIOs which models did you use?

PK
 
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Once paired, I can remotely start/stop recording or snap a photo (this can be done in the map screen). Sadly, you can only pair one Virb camera to the Zumo. With GoPro, I can wirelessly control 2 cameras (front and rear facing) with their remote. If I bought the Garmin remote, then I could control multiple cameras. But I’m not there yet.
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Back to the camera. Unlike the GoPro remote that allows you to also power on and power off the camera, the Zumo can only start and stop recording. At first I was disappointed with this missing function. But I now realize it’s not a game changer.

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If you don't go with the Zumo 590, is there a way to remotely power on/off the Virb camera? How about remotely start/stop recording or snapping a pic?

Thanks for the review!:thumbup:
 
Looks like a good quality was taken before dumbed down by You Tube.

Two questions,

Sounded like the "gauges" could be set up to not show MPH.

Also, in regards to VIOs which models did you use?

PK
YouTube defaults to 480p on playback but you can adjust the resolution.

I have the VIO POV HD.

Virb Edit allows you to select any of the recorded data for your video. If you don't want the speed data, you simply delete it or don't insert that gauge. The software is free and I installed it before I got the Virb XE. I mported a GoPro clip and imported an old Zumo file. They didn't match and I didn't care. I just wanted to test drive the software.

Ryde safe.
 
YouTube defaults to 480p on playback but you can adjust the resolution.

I have the VIO POV HD.

Virb Edit allows you to select any of the recorded data for your video. If you don't want the speed data, you simply delete it or don't insert that gauge. The software is free and I installed it before I got the Virb XE. I mported a GoPro clip and imported an old Zumo file. They didn't match and I didn't care. I just wanted to test drive the software.

Ryde safe.


I have several VIO POV not the HDs. These were the best several years ago and are easy to edit.

Now you make me wonder, based on what you posted, it could be possible to overlay a Garmin track and time against a video from a different camera?.

I have been toying with setting up two VIOs, one remote. Adding Garmin data would be a new twist.

PK
 
An UPDATE to my thread

I've had the Garmin VIRB XE for almost a month and I thought I would post an update.

I am really pleased with the VIRB XE and the data the camera captures. The image quality is much better when you view the MP4 file as opposed to watching it on YouTube. It looks great on my iPhone or iPad.

In my original thread, I wrote that the distance data resets to zero when you turn off the camera. If you want the total distance of the ride, you have to leave to camera on. In the video below, we stopped for lunch. I stopped recording but I left the camera on. So at the end of the video, you can see that the distance is 34 miles. Had I turned off the camera, the distance would only have been the distance from the deli.

Because I am leaving the camera on, I changed how I externally power the camera. I am no longer using bike power. Instead, I have the VIRB XE connected to a 6000mAh Mophie Powerstation Duo battery. The Mophie sits in the frunk and gives me plenty of power. It has really worked well for me.

VIRB Edit:
I have a love/hate relationship with this program. I love the data overlays and how easy it is to add/place the data in the video. I love how the software painlessly syncs the GPS data to the video. But I hate that you can't make copies of your video "Gallery" file. Let me explain. You create a video by naming it - "Video 1," for example. You do your edits, add sound, and transitions. You export "Video 1" to a MP4 file. But what if you want a version of "Video 1" that you will upload to YouTube that has a different ending. In my "perfect world," I would make a copy of "Video 1," rename it to "Video 2," change the ending, and then export it. I would still have "Video 1" that I can further edit if I want.

But not with VIRB Edit. I would have to make "Video 2" from scratch OR I could edit "Video 1" but "Video 1" then becomes "Video 2." I know some (most?) of you are probably scratching your head. It's hard to explain but for those who use VIRB Edit, I think they understand what I am trying to say (maybe even post a better explanation).

The program also crashes but not consistently. And when it does crash, I haven't lost any work. It's just annoying.

I would love to see Garmin come out with a VIRB Edit PRO version - even if it means I have to buy the program.

Bottom line: If you're looking for a camera for the first time or if you want data in your video, look at the VIRB XE. I'm glad I did.

Go grab some popcorn - it's showtime.

 
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VIRB Edit:
I have a love/hate relationship with this program. I love the data overlays and how easy it is to add/place the data in the video. But I hate that you can't make copies of your video "Gallery" file. Let me explain. You create a video by naming it - "Video 1," for example. You do your edits, add sound, and transitions. You export "Video 1" to a MP4 file. But what if you want a version of "Video 1" that you will upload to YouTube that has a different ending. In my "perfect world," I would make a copy of "Video 1," rename it to "Video 2," change the ending, and then export it. I would still have "Video 1" that I can further edit if I want.

But not with VIRB Edit. I would have to make "Video 2" from scratch OR I could edit "Video 1" but "Video 1" then becomes "Video 2." I know some (most?) of you are probably scratching your head. It's hard to explain but for those who use VIRB Edit, I think they understand what I am trying to say (maybe even post a better explanation).

The program also crashes but not consistently. And when it does crash, I haven't lost any work. It's just annoying.
I've been using iSkysoft Video Editor. It's fairly easy to use. You bring in all the videos you want to compile into one, trim each as needed, and export the result. It's not free, but it looks like no decent video editor is. I tried several and $40 is a common price. The only irritation, and it seems to be the same for all the video editors, is the save process is slow.

Here's a video I edited with iSkysoft.

 
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