Is there any other way of disengaging cruise control?

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Didn't say it was a problem, just asking if there is a way of doing it on this bike.

The cruise control is totally a software function controlled by the Engine Control Module, Vehicle Stability System, and Transmission Control Module. The right hand switch module with the CC switch is connected to the left hand module which generates the necessary digital signals and sends them out over the Canbus system. The off position disconnects all 4 wires going to the LH module. The only ordinary wiring that affects the CC is the brake light circuit. One of the ECM terminals is connected to the brake light circuit after the BL switch. When the brake is depressed it takes the terminal of the ECM to 12 volts (normally at ground) which triggers the off signal to the CC program. There is no easy way to take that terminal high without also powering the brake light.

Since the CC is an all digital system, and no provision is programmed into the system to generate an off command other than the brake switch, shift signal which is internal to the TCM, and the VSS in case of the Spyder misbehaving, there is no way to generate an off signal that is operator controlled except the brake and RH switch. All the modules communicate via the Canbus.

If you are up to some DIY work, and know electricity, what you could do is tap into a 12 volt source somewhere. Put a push button switch into the circuit and connect the wire from it to the wire between the ECM and the junction of the ECM to brake light wire. Put a diode into the ECM to brake light wire ahead of the junction. That way you can bring the ECM terminal high but not send current to the brake light. On the other hand, if you are a complete digital nerd you might be able to create a processor that can be connected to the Canbus and send the proper digital signal to turn off CC!

I know this probably is a lot more info than you wanted to know, but I share it to help you understand why there is no other option.

 

[AZ4U2C]

As a long time rider (45 years) I agree with those who suggest the brake is the best way to dc the cruise control, if for no other reason than the brief flash of the brake lights will hopefully alert/remind any driver behind you that you are there and they need to be paying attention. There's no substitute for safety. You WANT those behind you to pay attention, just as you WANT to let them know and back off when you'll be turning by using your turn signals. Advocate for yourself on the road. ����

 

[ron1026]

The cruise control is totally a software function controlled by the Engine Control Module, Vehicle Stability System, and Transmission Control Module. The right hand switch module with the CC switch is connected to the left hand module which generates the necessary digital signals and sends them out over the Canbus system. The off position disconnects all 4 wires going to the LH module. The only ordinary wiring that affects the CC is the brake light circuit. One of the ECM terminals is connected to the brake light circuit after the BL switch. When the brake is depressed it takes the terminal of the ECM to 12 volts (normally at ground) which triggers the off signal to the CC program. There is no easy way to take that terminal high without also powering the brake light.

Since the CC is an all digital system, and no provision is programmed into the system to generate an off command other than the brake switch, shift signal which is internal to the TCM, and the VSS in case of the Spyder misbehaving, there is no way to generate an off signal that is operator controlled except the brake and RH switch. All the modules communicate via the Canbus.

If you are up to some DIY work, and know electricity, what you could do is tap into a 12 volt source somewhere. Put a push button switch into the circuit and connect the wire from it to the wire between the ECM and the junction of the ECM to brake light wire. Put a diode into the ECM to brake light wire ahead of the junction. That way you can bring the ECM terminal high but not send current to the brake light. On the other hand, if you are a complete digital nerd you might be able to create a processor that can be connected to the Canbus and send the proper digital signal to turn off CC!

I know this probably is a lot more info than you wanted to know, but I share it to help you understand why there is no other option.

I appreciate all that info that you have given, the answer is on this bike that is the only way it can be done. Thats all I needed to know, I have had other bikes that was able to do that.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I would not be at all surprised if BRP engineers considered this issue while the Spyder was being developed, and opted not to incorporate such a turn off function for the very same reasons so many here have offered, i.e., the value of seeing the brake light flash. I could be wrong but I suspect BRP engineers placed a much higher priority on rider safety than had been the norm in the motorcycle world up to that time.

 

[Peteoz]

I would not be at all surprised if BRP engineers considered this issue while the Spyder was being developed, and opted not to incorporate such a turn off function for the very same reasons so many here have offered, i.e., the value of seeing the brake light flash. I could be wrong but I suspect BRP engineers placed a much higher priority on rider safety than had been the norm in the motorcycle world up to that time.

Good theory, but surely if that was the case, they wouldn’t have included the ability to simply downshift to turn off the CC and slow without showing brake lights, Idaho ?

Pete

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Good theory, but surely if that was the case, they wouldn’t have included the ability to simply downshift to turn off the CC and slow without showing brake lights, Idaho ?

Pete

Up shift also turns off CC.

 

[ron1026]

Up shift also turns off CC.

Not if you're in 6th gear .

 

[FrogmanDave]

Not if you're in 6th gear .

Then you can't upshift. Upshift does cancel cruise control. Idaho is absolutely right. What you are implying is that downshifting from first gear does not cancel cruise control either. You can't downshift from first gear so same situation.

 

[Peteoz]

Gee……we are really making a mountain out of a molehill here. Most unlike Spyderlovers hyea: Most people are running in 6th on a freeway. That is the reason I only said “downshift” as there is no upshift possible. Of course CC will cancel if you downshift OR upshift if that option is available to you :2thumbs:

Besides that, my comment was in relation to Idaho saying that BRP wanted you to use your brakes to show the vehicle behind that you were braking. I was simply pointing out the flaw in that argument, but it has now been taken down a different, effectively unrelated, rat hole :dontknow:

Pete

 

[ron1026]

Then you can't upshift. Upshift does cancel cruise control. Idaho is absolutely right. What you are implying is that downshifting from first gear does not cancel cruise control either. You can't downshift from first gear so same situation.

Yes you are right you can't upshift if in 6th gear. But my goldwing if you were in top gear ( 7 ) and hit the upshift button it would disengage cruise control.

 

[PMK]

Yes you are right you can't upshift if in 6th gear. But my goldwing if you were in top gear ( 7 ) and hit the upshift button it would disengage cruise control.

Would have been very nice if BRP had incorporated a setup where when cruise control is engaged in sixth gear at upper highway speeds, selecting the paddle in the upshift direction would disengage the cruise control.

Certainly no plans to accomplish a 6>5 downshift at 80 mph, and tapping the brakes at that speed is a bit odd too, but what is required. With the fragility of many of the Spyder controls, I too leave the cruise control always on.

Years ago, I sorted out the electrics to utilize a cruise control disengage system. Just never took the time to wire it up. Maybe it is time to revisit this and make it happen.

 

[Crackerjack99]

Bingo,works for me

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Bingo,works for me

???????????? What post are you replying too?

 

[askitee]

I tap on the brake. It trips the Cruise control and sort of warns the guy behind me I'm dropping speed.

Sometimes I'll drop a gear due to a need to drop a gear knowing it will trip the CC