Is it possible.......

[SpyderRx]

That the RT gets outsold this year by the F3? I know the RT makes up a majority of Spyder sales and I doubt the F3 outsells it, but this may be the closest competition the RT has had since its introduction. So what do ya'll think?

 

[Chupaca]

Could be...!!

lots of hype, publicity, adds, but on the other hand I am seeing dealer with units coming in not sold or spoken for. Pre sales seem good but now Fred public have to give it the real test for that on the fence crowd to jump or fall off. Sales records are scarce so we will have to depend on units left on the dealer showroom floor. Seen and heard good things about the colors on the RT's and they will hold there own...me I love my RS..:2thumbs:

 

[JayBros]

Does it really matter? It's a folks and strokes issue. JMO.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

MY .02

IMHO......I don't think the F-3 is going to hurt the RT sales one bit.......they are apples and oranges ..........However the F-3 vs. the rest of the Spyder line-up.....Unless you are really into an antiquated , high revving , noisy , smelly , high maintenance ( cost and time ) " V " twin ./.....Then I think the F-3 is going to be the Winner.......Mike :thumbup:

 

[Dragonrider]

I agree - apples & oranges. It has a better chance of hurting Harley trike sales... (that's 40 or 50/yr??).

 

[SpyderRx]

Does it really matter? It's a folks and strokes issue. JMO.

No it doesn't matter. It's just a simple topic of conversation.

 

[JayBros]

No it doesn't matter. It's just a simple topic of conversation.

Didn't mean to offend, could have omitted first sentence. My apology.

 

[robmorg]

IMHO......I don't the F-3 is going to hurt the RT sales one bit.......they are apples and oranges ..........However the F-3 vs. the rest of the Spyder line-up.....Unless you are really into an antiquated , high revving , noisy , smelly , high maintenance ( cost and time ) " V " twin ./.....Then I think the F-3 is going to be the Winner.......Mike :thumbup:

roflmao. Mike, I think you should have left the "H" out of "IMHO".

Once I got used to it, I really enjoy my antiquated high revving 998 Rotax. But I tend to agree with you, even though I wouldn't have stated the case quite the way you did. :sour:. I think the F3 will probably take second place in the sales statistics. I also predict that the F3 will probably replace the RS in the lineup, and that the ST will morph into a more "F3-like" design.

 

[ARtraveler]

IMO: F3 will give the 2015 RT's a run for the money. The F3 appeals to a younger market, and that is going to bring a few more first-time :spyder2: owners into the fold.

I am sure that many are still waiting to hear information from the beta testers out in the field before jumping on board. April or May for more information that we can speculate about.

We will probably never find out the exact answer. As mentioned, sales numbers are not forthcoming from BRP.

So far, it looks and sounds similar to last year regarding orders placed and units now being picked up.

opcorn:

 

[Dragonrider]

I've said/thought all along that the F3 is the RS/GS replacement. I don't see it as a competitor with either the ST or RT. The ST line offers crotch rocket riders a good option, and the St LTD is a decent sport touring platform. The RT is solidly the touring platform, and the F3 offers nothing to compete with any of these - it's just a cruiser.

If you want to tour on your Vrod, be my guest. If your want a stable Goldwing or K16, then the RTs your choice.

The F3 offers zero passenger comfort, no options for long distance riding, no storage, adjustable windshields, and no weather protection.

I've taken a test ride, and personally would not consider owning one. So, for those like me (read: everyone I know), the F3 is no competition for my dollars. Nor will it ever be.

 

[robmorg]

I've said/thought all along that the F3 is the RS/GS replacement. I don't see it as a competitor with either the ST or RT. The ST line offers crotch rocket riders a good option, and the St LTD is a decent sport touring platform. The RT is solidly the touring platform, and the F3 offers nothing to compete with any of these - it's just a cruiser.

Dragonrider,

I agree with you about the RT. The RT will continue to outsell the other models, and with the 2014/2015 changes, it has reached its maturing point for a few years to come, IMO. You can't beat it for what it does.

BUT, my opinion is very different from yours with respect to both the ST and the F3. The F3 is MUCH more than "just a cruiser". It's got adjustable foot pegs to offer a comfortable ride and a riding appeal to a wide range of potential customers. It's got a light weight tubular frame and the new 1330 engine, which is what gives it so much "muscle". With the gas tank being moved forward and lower on the frame, it's got a low center of gravity, which is what makes it perform so well in the turns. It's got the open access to the engine which resolves the heat problem. In short, it is the answer to almost ALL of Can Am's problems with the rest of the model line (beyond the new RT). That's why I predict that it will replace the RS entirely, and why the ST will pick up many of its features.

The ST cannot stay the same. BRP has got to resolve the heat problem on all models and the ST suffers almost as much from those issues as the RT did. I speculate that BRP will replace the ST with a model that offers much of the same appeal that the ST now has, but it will have many of the F3 features, including the tubular frame, the lower center of gravity, the adjustable foot positions, and the 1330 engine. But, like the current ST, it will also offer saddlebag storage, a better windshield, and more comfort for the passenger. Whether they call this "new model" an ST, an F3, or something else, I believe it is the natural progression for the ST.

 

[SpyderRx]

Didn't mean to offend, could have omitted first sentence. My apology.

No offense taken.

 

[Dragonrider]

Can't deny the thought process - perhaps the ST will have new panels, or a more open look like the F3, to allow better air flow. It's a problem with V-twins (just ask Harley), and I suspect BRP would like a bit more milage out of their 990 investment (beyond SxS & ATVs). That said, if you ride a F3 in the weather, you will get cold and wet - something I really do not miss from my cruiser days.

While the F3 shouldn't have any heat issues, and does have the 1330/6, it still has no draw for those that ride 2 up, in bad weather areas, or ride long distances.

Perhaps the latter will change when the aftermarket catches up to the F3, and, of course, weather doesn't matter in the SW.

 

[PMK]

Myself, I would be of the opinion that the RT will outsell the F3.

Like others we get attention almost at every stop. Supermarket, restaurant, ice cream etc. The primary interest is not with younger riders, but rather those wanting to ride, but fear a tip over or similar issue.

The Spyder cruiser may fill a niche between the young sport bike rider and the touring group, but I suspect the two wheeled cruiser will be the choice over a three wheeled version for most people.

Obviously there are special instances, maybe for a female rider, or the previous cruiser rider that wants the security of three wheels.

Maybe they hit a homerun, but I think it's in the minor league.

I hope to see and maybe test ride one soon, but my opinion holds as someone else stated, it looks like a lawnmower.

PK

 

[robmorg]

I hope to see and maybe test ride one soon, but my opinion holds as someone else stated, it looks like a lawnmower.

PK

That was Dan P. (SPYD3R) who said that the F3 looked like his John Deere riding mower. Then he took a test drive on one, and immediately pulled out his wallet and bought one on the spot!!! Maybe you'll do the same, PK.

 

[PMK]

That was Dan P. (SPYD3R) who said that the F3 looked like his John Deere riding mower. Then he took a test drive on one, and immediately pulled out his wallet and bought one on the spot!!! Maybe you'll do the same, PK.

Pretty certain the wife will have her way, and seeing as she can fall asleep during a ride on the RTs an F3 would be a tough sell.

As for me...I would prefer two wheels, like an R1 or that FZ-09 seems pretty sweet.

Worked in the dealership and never had a love for cruisers. Holds to this day. Even then it was mainly touring bikes and sport bikes that sold and came back for options.

Crusiers find homes no doubt, but it won't be in mine.

PK

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

heat issues ???????????????

Dragonrider,

I agree with you about the RT. The RT will continue to outsell the other models, and with the 2014/2015 changes, it has reached its maturing point for a few years to come, IMO. You can't beat it for what it does.

BUT, my opinion is very different from yours with respect to both the ST and the F3. The F3 is MUCH more than "just a cruiser". It's got adjustable foot pegs to offer a comfortable ride and a riding appeal to a wide range of potential customers. It's got a light weight tubular frame and the new 1330 engine, which is what gives it so much "muscle". With the gas tank being moved forward and lower on the frame, it's got a low center of gravity, which is what makes it perform so well in the turns. It's got the open access to the engine which resolves the heat problem. In short, it is the answer to almost ALL of Can Am's problems with the rest of the model line (beyond the new RT). That's why I predict that it will replace the RS entirely, and why the ST will pick up many of its features.

The ST cannot stay the same. BRP has got to resolve the heat problem on all models and the ST suffers almost as much from those issues as the RT did. I speculate that BRP will replace the ST with a model that offers much of the same appeal that the ST now has, but it will have many of the F3 features, including the tubular frame, the lower center of gravity, the adjustable foot positions, and the 1330 engine. But, like the current ST, it will also offer saddlebag storage, a better windshield, and more comfort for the passenger. Whether they call this "new model" an ST, an F3, or something else, I believe it is the natural progression for the ST.

:dontknow:...Wow rob, I hadn't heard about the 1330 engine having HEAT ISSUES that needed to have body panels removed ........Anyone else out there aware of this ?????.....Mike :thumbup::thumbup:

 

[Dragonrider]

Sorry Mike - he was talking about the 990s. MCN had a nice writeup about the Slingshot and F3. They liked both. Perhaps if BRP removed ALL the tupperware, they would like it even better??

 

[robmorg]

:dontknow:...Wow rob, I hadn't heard about the 1330 engine having HEAT ISSUES that needed to have body panels removed ........Anyone else out there aware of this ?????.....Mike :thumbup::thumbup:

Mike, not sure how you got that from what I said. At least that's not what I intended to say.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

Mike, not sure how you got that from what I said. At least that's not what I intended to say.

.............In the the Post from you that I QUOTED.......you were talking about the ...F- 3...( which has the 1330 engine ) you cont'd. with and since it doesn't have the PANELS........ that solves the " HEAT PROBLEM " !!!!.................I thought you were linking the 1330 with the " HEAT PROBLEM " ( In my.... NOT humble ....opinion ) :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:............Mike :thumbup: