I brought my Spyder into the dealership this morning to get some work done (the latch on one of the side cases on my RT broke when I tried to open the case, and the case will not open at all) and the dealer provided me with a loaner while my trike is being worked on. I had to sign a waiver for the loaner, and the paperwork seemed to be a standard form of several pages, used for loaners and demo rides. Included in the verbiage was a section where it stated acknowledging several things about the Spyder, such as that it is wider than a motorcycle, that it has a brake pedal controlling all three brakes, and some other pretty obvious stuff. But it also included this as a "fact", saying (or in words very close to this) "I recognize that the Spyder is not a motorcycle". I'm not sure why Can Am or the dealer included this statement of this wording, rather than saying "traditional two wheel motorcycle" or something similar to that. Seems to me that many Spyder riders who have never ridden traditional motorcycles, and/or do not want to go to the effort of learning how to safely operate a two wheel motorcycle (such as learning to use the "friction zone" of the clutch, learning to simultaneously use both hands and both feet in emergency braking, etc) like to think of the Spyder as a motorcycle. Telling a potential customer to accept that it is NOT a motorcycle seems both foolish and counterproductive.
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Gwolf
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Which State the dealership is in could determine if that distinction is included in the waiver. Each different State of the USA has their own licensing requirements - as well as other Countries. Some States license it as a motorcycle, other make the distinction of calling it a 3 wheel motorcycle, and still others call it a 3 wheel vehicle. The language in the waiver is a legal point to cover what the vehicle is licensed as.
Next point to consider - Hardly any State or Country has legislators who make registration laws that are not somewhat foolish and counterproductive.
Overview - In the US, registration and licensing requirements for three-wheeled motorcycles, including autocycles and trikes vary by State. Many States require a motorcycle endorsement or a specific three-wheel endorsement to operate these vehicles. Some States, like Florida, require a motorcycle endorsement or a separate "Motorcycle Only" license for vehicles with engines over 50cc, including three-wheeled motorcycles. However, other States, such as California and Nevada, may allow operation with a standard driver's license.
https://www.riders-share.com/blog/article/license-requirements-three-wheeled-motorcycles-by-state
Next point to consider - Hardly any State or Country has legislators who make registration laws that are not somewhat foolish and counterproductive.
Overview - In the US, registration and licensing requirements for three-wheeled motorcycles, including autocycles and trikes vary by State. Many States require a motorcycle endorsement or a specific three-wheel endorsement to operate these vehicles. Some States, like Florida, require a motorcycle endorsement or a separate "Motorcycle Only" license for vehicles with engines over 50cc, including three-wheeled motorcycles. However, other States, such as California and Nevada, may allow operation with a standard driver's license.
https://www.riders-share.com/blog/article/license-requirements-three-wheeled-motorcycles-by-state
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I'm in Illinois which considers the Spyder a 3 wheel motorcycle, and requires a motorcycle endorsement to ride one (motorcycle endorsements in IL can be for all motorcycles, for just 3 wheel motorcycles, or limited to motorcycles/scooters with under 150cc engine displacement.
Maybe the wording of the "waiver" document represents nothing more than the thoughts of the attorney who drew it up for the legal protection of the dealership. Possibly the dealer himself has never read the document, relying upon his attorney on this issue.
Maybe the wording of the "waiver" document represents nothing more than the thoughts of the attorney who drew it up for the legal protection of the dealership. Possibly the dealer himself has never read the document, relying upon his attorney on this issue.
Gwolf
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Which is why the owners of the dealerships turn such complicated legal matters over to their attorney (s).
Who cares? I've owned and ridden 2-wheeled, 3-wheeled, and 4-wheeled (sport) machines for 70+ years, and I've never been stopped, checked, or otherwise for any reason. I have a M/C endorsement, but why? Because some bureaucrats who know little to nothing about M/C's said so. Most bureaucrats are lawyers, that's why. You don't have to have a license to fly a one-person drone, yet, or until the bureaucrats get involved. Sorry, I'll get off my box now.
Flier Tuck
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Also, here in the UK, you cannot learn to ride on a trike, but wearing a helmet is optional.
Little Blue
SpyderLovers Ambassador
Nobody in Government really knows what 'Spyders' are or even care to understand. Hey, I have 'friends' who cannot figure it out. Just let some people say what they want I guess.
Have a Happy Day.
Have a Happy Day.
Snoking1127
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I gave up my Washington State motorcycle endorsement years ago along with my CDL. Fast forward to more recent times and I rode in Arizona all winter without an endorsement on my WA drivers license. Then in the summer I took the CAN AM sponsored course a 2nd time, as WA would not except the AZ course I had taken, and got a three wheel/side car only endorsement. Then I changed to an AZ resident and they automagically put the 3 wheel only endorsement on my AZ license.
They don't!
Kenda tires are simply lightweight CAR tires, in all respects apart from the dodgy made up label on the sidewall which is likely only there so that their legal department can try to dodge any blame if someone ever fits these Kendas onto a car and they fail!!
But they are definitely CAR tires in all respects of their construction and design, and they will only safely fit onto 'J' type CAR rims.
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