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Here's a recent Ryker Filter Failure!
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blacklightning
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Wow, looks like we gonna need a filter to filter out the filter.
BajaRon
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We installed this filter. Not to say that we can't make a mistake. But we inspect filters before installing them and they all look pretty much like this after use (slightly wrinkled pleats). This is not unusual as there is slight pressure on the filter from the cap to maintain good contact with the seal. The broken part you see is the epoxy used to seal and bond the metal end to the body. When pulling the filter, this metal cap came right off.
We have found a compatible aftermarket filter. There are filters out there with the same dimensions which will appear to work perfectly. However, up until now, we have not been able to find one with the critical anti-drainback valving of the OEM. The Ryker filter sits high in the engine compartment. Without this valve, all the oil will drain back into the engine. This means a good delay in oil pressure and delivery to critical engine components as this cavity must refill before oil goes beyond the filter.
We are now testing this filter which I feel confident will do just fine and we will begin carrying it. Should it fail, which would frankly surprise me, I will let you know.
Engines were failing (being replaced on warranty) due to disintegration of the OEM oil filters which blocked oil passages and the quick demise of the engine. Very rare at first. I'm not even sure there was an occurrence in 2008, the first year of the Spyder. But once the problem began, it continued to build until, in September of 2012, BRP pulled all the filters off the shelf and destroyed them.
This, and an inability to get OEM filters for months contributed greatly to the Spyder's "Unreliability" reputation and started the great migration to aftermarket filters, which, for those who were using them, had experienced zero issues.
These aftermarket filters were of much better construction, and I think better materials as well. Though I can't substantiate the Materials portion of my statement.
BRP blamed these failures on extended oil service times. And this may have added to the issue. But without a doubt, the root problem was the extremely poor construction and quality of the OEM filters. Which BRP acknowledged by completely revamping their oil filters in 2012.
Another factor, I believe, was the early owner's manual stating that the HCM (Transmission Filter) was to be changed every other oil service. Granted, the HCM filter refilters fresh oil from the engine oil filter so it doesn't see much debris. But this caused some to expand the advice to the engine oil filter. Which probably compounded the problem.
I am not privy to how many engine failures were caused by the HCM SE5 filter or the Engine Oil Filter. But it wasn't too long before BRP changed the 'Every Other Service' instruction for the HCM filter to Every Service.
I don't think we should panic over 1 filter failure. BRP learned their lesson and since late 2012 their filters have been of good and worthy quality. Though I will add they are overpriced. Everything fails from time to time. Could have been a rare defect. I personally would not worry about the OEM filters. This one did not fail catastrophically like the early filters. I doubt there was any harm done.
As I said above, I don't think so. This is the way they all look after use.
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BajaRon
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As for specs, I can't answer that. Only millions of trouble free miles to report.
The Spyder engines have filters at the bottom of the engine. There is no need for an anti-drainback valve. So, there is none. They are easy to spot. If you can see through the filter, then no valve. If there is a valve, you can see that but not the inside of the filter.
Bangorbob
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Ron, The statement below led me to believe the oem has an anti-drainback valve. Am I reading this right?
We have found a compatible aftermarket filter. There are filters out there with the same dimensions which will appear to work perfectly. However, up until now, we have not been able to find one with the critical anti-drainback valving of the OEM
We have found a compatible aftermarket filter. There are filters out there with the same dimensions which will appear to work perfectly. However, up until now, we have not been able to find one with the critical anti-drainback valving of the OEM
BajaRon
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Sorry, this is the Ryker forum so I assumed it was understood. But if you don't look for it, you might not know this, depending on how you search through the posts.
Tango
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The over the counter bottom of the barrel Fram Filters are CRAP! Probably still are.
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