Having problem of leaking from gas tube/charcoal cannister, any thoughts/

[ckiblue]

On my RT2012 notice it was leaking, something under it, felt like oil, but, took it in & the spyder mechanic at Reno's said it was not oil but smelled like "turpentine" caused by the gas (ethanol), from some "gas tube" off the charcoal cannister, anyone else ever heard of this? He said about 4 other people have had the same issued so he was going to have to check with BRP. Any thoughts? Only have 2,700 miles should I be concerned?

Carolyn

 

[cjackg]

See discussion in this recent thread... plus there is a lot of background on the recent BRP recalls related to fuel drips and odors.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?47778-New-Recall-Gas-Cap-Did-Not-Fix-Gas-SMell

but the bottom line is this is a problem that has not been fully solved yet and most dealers are just groping at solutions. My 2012 Ltd has so far had the Canister and the Solenoid Valve replaced along with the tubing and this fix lasted only a week before the problem reappeared. I had hopes the new Gas Cap would help but it made no differance at all.

This is a potentially dangerous problem that needs a serious fix!

 

[BajaRon]

I have a one word solution to this problem.

Canisterectomy

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...canisterectomy

 

[cjackg]

I have a one word solution to this problem.

Canisterectomy

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...canisterectomy

Yes, I hear you plus others that have done this to "fix" the problem. but it really bothers me to have to remove a supposed safety & environmental engineered feature because it is not working and may even be creating a hazard.

On my 2010 RT I never had a problem with this; on the 2012 RT it is a recurring problem that no one can seem to fix.

I believe BRP needs to dig deeper on this one because there are a lot of 2012s showing up with the problem recently.

 

[BajaRon]

Yes, I hear you plus others that have done this to "fix" the problem. but it really bothers me to have to remove a supposed safety & environmental engineered feature because it is not working and may even be creating a hazard.

On my 2010 RT I never had a problem with this; on the 2012 RT it is a recurring problem that no one can seem to fix.

I believe BRP needs to dig deeper on this one because there are a lot of 2012s showing up with the problem recently.

On one level I understand your point. BRP puts these on the Spyder because they have to. Not because it does anything for your Spyder. It is rumored that it helps the environment and I'll take their word for it.

You paid for it and it should work.. Agreed.

However, here are the advantages to removing it which should be weighed in the discussion as well.

1- Removal permanently and decisively solves the problem
2- It doesn't cost anything
3- Removes a definite hazard to both you and your Spyder
4- Peace of mind is priceless
5- Easy to do
6- Weight reduction increases fuel mileage and makes you faster in the 1/4 mile! (Don't Tell Doc!) :roflblack:

 

[El Dorado Bob]

Leak or ?

I took my 2012 RT in to the dealer to check a gas leak about two weeks ago. They took care of the problem as the hose was pinched to the canister. I have no problem with the dealer, however the gas smell and drip is back which is an "awe crap" moment. It will be back to the dealer this week, be nice to get this behind us. I use this site for the obvious, it is informative and a great resource/network, thanks for the dialogue on this.

 

[Mo Lee]

Several of us to include BRP (I believe) think this has been to cause of several fires, all RSs as far as I know. I believe what happens is the fuel tank gets overfilled and since the charcoal cannister is below the top of the tank liquid fuel gets in the cannister preventing it from processing the fumes and returning the fuel vapor to the intake. The original canister vent hose was about 3 inches long and vented under the tupperware causing a buildup of fumes then all it took was an arc from a spark plug wire or anything else to start a fire. BRP has been installing longer vent hoses, once in a safety of use message and recently in a recall and running the vent hose out and under the Spyder, A couple of months before BRP started this me and a friend extended our hoses, only we ran them all the way back to the swingarm area on the opposite side of the muffler and I still get an oily residue from the tube. The bottom line is the fuel from the tank has to vent whether it vents thru the charcoal cannister or not that is your choice, however the important thing is make sure it don't vent under the tupperware and I prefer to move it to the point where it don't let the fumes rise back up thru the engine compartment. This has been an issue since 2010 and if you do a search you will find enough material to keep you reading all day. The only real fix would have been place the charcoal cannister a few inches above the filler neck on the tank, however that would require a redesign in styling.

 

[ckiblue]

Will that effect the warranty

On one level I understand your point. BRP puts these on the Spyder because they have to. Not because it does anything for your Spyder. It is rumored that it helps the environment and I'll take their word for it.

You paid for it and it should work.. Agreed.

However, here are the advantages to removing it which should be weighed in the discussion as well.

1- Removal permanently and decisively solves the problem
2- It doesn't cost anything
3- Removes a definite hazard to both you and your Spyder
4- Peace of mind is priceless
5- Easy to do
6- Weight reduction increases fuel mileage and makes you faster in the 1/4 mile! (Don't Tell Doc!) :roflblack:

Any warranty issues doing it that way? Granted a life is more important and I chose life over the w warranty any day.

 

[BajaRon]

Any warranty issues doing it that way? Granted a life is more important and I chose life over the w warranty any day.

There is no system on the Spyder that is dependent on the vapor canister nor does the canister perform any function that is needed for the Spyder to operate so I don't see how it would affect the warranty.

 

[Bob Ledford]

Any warranty issues doing it that way? Granted a life is more important and I chose life over the w warranty any day.

You got that right..... Maybe that is one of the reasons the 2013 has a bigger frame cage?


it would be nice I BRP Engineeriing was a little more verbal. After all ewe do contribute to their salary funding,

 

[Bob Ledford]

Gasoline odors

Any warranty issues doing it that way? Granted a life is more important and I chose life over the w warranty any day.

You got that right..... Maybe that is one of the reasons the 2013 has a bigger frame cage?


it would be nice I BRP Engineeriing was a little more verbal. After all ewe do contribute to their salary funding,

 

[frank3]

Charcoal Canister Removal Procedure for 2010 RT

Made several searches for this procedure but everything I've seen relates to the RS. Guess I'm missing it somewhere. Can anyone help me with this?
My 2010 RT has had the "Gas Smell" problem every since I purchased it and I pay particular attention to not overfilling it. Always have to leave it outside for an hour after a ride in hot weather in order to prevent gas smell in garage.

 

[cjackg]

Made several searches for this procedure but everything I've seen relates to the RS. Guess I'm missing it somewhere. Can anyone help me with this?
My 2010 RT has had the "Gas Smell" problem every since I purchased it and I pay particular attention to not overfilling it. Always have to leave it outside for an hour after a ride in hot weather in order to prevent gas smell in garage.

I was told by an RT owner who has done the Canister removal that he still gets gas odors every time he pulls into his garage!

 

[NancysToy]

I was told by an RT owner who has done the Canister removal that he still gets gas odors every time he pulls into his garage!

That is highly likely, since the vent is a direct connection to the outside if the canister and purge valve are not used. Climatic conditions or gas boiling in the tank can exaggerate that situation.

 

[cjackg]

That is highly likely, since the vent is a direct connection to the outside if the canister and purge valve are not used. Climatic conditions or gas boiling in the tank can exaggerate that situation.

Wow! Hard to see a nice clean solution to this anywhere... And still not clear why my 2010 RT never had a problem and my 2012 has had it from the first week.
I am going to beat on the dealer some more, but then will probably give up and remove the Canister.

 

[TuckMiddle]

I've been through this vent mess for over a yer. Never fill it after the auto shut off at the pump.
Dealer has been great, BRP seems to try but zero results from parts changes, etc.
Canisterectamy and vent run to the rear to keep fire potential to the minimum. Bottom line is it still drips,
smell is horrible 1/2 the time and I have to leave the garage doors open a couple hours. I run a 24 inch fan suspended
and aimed at the Spyder most of the time. This is the only continuing problem on my 2011 Spyder RT in 25,000 miles.
My daughter won't let me park in her garage due to the stench and fire hazard.
The only reason it hasn't acted up in the last 6 weeks is my not riding it due to a shoulder operation.
I really love the Spyder, but I cringe every time someone's bike catches on fire (admittedly, this has lessened, probably due to folks
not filling up like we should be able to.) The dripping varies from a few little drops and tank recently filled (to about) 5.5 gallons or whatever, to varying quantities - down to almost empty, to lots of dripping and BIG gas spot on the road or cement.
The good news is that the garage is detached and hopefully the house won't burn down.
My new gas cap is sitting on the seat until my next ride, maybe next weekend if the DR gives me a thumbs up. Gotta put the new red sway bar put on also. Maybe the combo will stop the fuel problem, nothing else seems to.
Tuck

 

[DrewNJ]

Interesting....I have a 2012RS and no gas smell or leaks and try to squeeze every little bit of fuel in the tank that i can when filling up. I removed my canister with only a few hundred miles on it.


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[BajaRon]

I've been through this vent mess for over a yer. Never fill it after the auto shut off at the pump.
Dealer has been great, BRP seems to try but zero results from parts changes, etc.
Canisterectamy and vent run to the rear to keep fire potential to the minimum. Bottom line is it still drips,
smell is horrible 1/2 the time and I have to leave the garage doors open a couple hours. I run a 24 inch fan suspended
and aimed at the Spyder most of the time. This is the only continuing problem on my 2011 Spyder RT in 25,000 miles.
My daughter won't let me park in her garage due to the stench and fire hazard.
The only reason it hasn't acted up in the last 6 weeks is my not riding it due to a shoulder operation.
I really love the Spyder, but I cringe every time someone's bike catches on fire (admittedly, this has lessened, probably due to folks
not filling up like we should be able to.) The dripping varies from a few little drops and tank recently filled (to about) 5.5 gallons or whatever, to varying quantities - down to almost empty, to lots of dripping and BIG gas spot on the road or cement.
The good news is that the garage is detached and hopefully the house won't burn down.
My new gas cap is sitting on the seat until my next ride, maybe next weekend if the DR gives me a thumbs up. Gotta put the new red sway bar put on also. Maybe the combo will stop the fuel problem, nothing else seems to.
Tuck

Something is very wrong with this. If you've done the canister-ectomy and the vent hose is run properly, you should never get anything of note out of the vent tube. Have you put a small fuel filter in line on the vent hose? Running the end of your vent hose below tank level may be creating a siphon condition. I don't have any good ideas but you should not be having this trouble.

 

[El Dorado Bob]

Half empty or Half Full ?

Picked up from shop Thursday, had hoped leak and gas fume problem would be resolved. I guess the glass could be considered half empty or half full as now the Spyder is not leaking, but the gas fumes are heavy, noticeable whether at a stop light or in the garage. The shop actually filled the tank, did some checks, replaced fuel gauge, leaky water pump and a couple other issues. The gas fumes are heaviest when I have been riding an hour or more, fuel level is half tank. Yep I'm stumped. As long as the service folks don't give up I'm not ready to throw in the towel. However Spyderfest is not that far off, need to know the Spyder is dialed in. :dontknow:

 

[Y Rider]

I have a one word solution to this problem.

Canisterectomy

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...canisterectomy

I have had the gas fume problem on our 2011 RT Limited. Since the new gas cap didn't fix the problem I performed the "canisterectomy". Took the Spyder on a 100 mile ride yesterday. Parked in the garage after return and closed the the door. Went back out to the garage 15 minutes later and was overwelmed with gas fumes. This only happens afte long rides. Not sure what to do next. Can't find any obvious leaks.