GUN CONTROL,,, lets see if we can discuss this w/o me pulling the post

[Bob Denman]

We had a rifle range underneath the stage in the auditorium... :thumbup:

 

[SmoovOpRatoR]

Here in Canada we have guns, lots of them, regular bolt action rifles from. 22 up to 50BMG. Semi Auto rifles, shotguns both pump and semi auto, as well as hand guns, revolvers, semi autos, and of course "assault rifles" AR15, Tavor, CZ858, Mini14 etc. Civilians have access to just about all types of the same firearms as our friends in the USA exemption of course is full auto. We have laws in Canada that don't make sense, a. 22 has no mag capacity restrictions and there are those people here who own 100rnd drum mags for their 22s where as most centre fired rifle or hand gun mags are restricted to 10rnds.
What we do have is a legal frame work where anyone who wants a gun has to take a safety course. Once the safety course is complete one can apply for a license which entails a criminal history check and a reference check. This may not be a perfect system, and gun violence does occur in Canada but not anywhere close to the levels in the USA.

 

[bmccaffrey]

Here in Canada we have guns, lots of them, regular bolt action rifles from. 22 up to 50BMG. Semi Auto rifles, shotguns both pump and semi auto, as well as hand guns, revolvers, semi autos, and of course "assault rifles" AR15, Tavor, CZ858, Mini14 etc. Civilians have access to just about all types of the same firearms as our friends in the USA exemption of course is full auto. We have laws in Canada that don't make sense, a. 22 has no mag capacity restrictions and there are those people here who own 100rnd drum mags for their 22s where as most centre fired rifle or hand gun mags are restricted to 10rnds.
What we do have is a legal frame work where anyone who wants a gun has to take a safety course. Once the safety course is complete one can apply for a license which entails a criminal history check and a reference check. This may not be a perfect system, and gun violence does occur in Canada but not anywhere close to the levels in the USA.

Maybe that's why we don't have a lot of hunting accidents witj half million in the woods during the season.
You have to take hunter safety course before buying a hunting license.

Got it. Like u said everyone has to take a safety course before u buy.
That way they get screened the same time. Boy i'm smart should run for office:roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

I actually didn't know this about Canada.... Thanks! :2thumbs:
I did fly to the Ungava Bay on a Caribou hunt once. We drove up to Montreal, and had an..."interesting" conversation at the Border about our hunting rifles... :shocked:

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

The way I see it most people, especially gun rights advocates, are missing two points. One, the population of this country is steadily increasing and that means changes will be coming, changes of all sorts. The second is the word amendment. I think that in something like 50 to 100 years from now the population of this country will have increased to the point that the majority will demand some sort to action to reduce the proliferation of guns. The more dense the population, the more rules are needed to assure everyone can get along. Everyone will have fewer rights of all sorts. The man in the middle of a major city does not have near the freedom to act as he wishes as does the man in the middle of the Arizona desert.

The 2nd Amendment is just that, an amendment. The Constitution can be, has been, and will be changed by amendment. There is no quarantee anywhere in the Constitution that will prevent the 2nd Amendment from being repealed or modified. It won't happen for many years, probably not within any of our lifetimes, but I predict that some day, maybe in a hundred or so years, it will be.

In my opinion, if the NRA was wise, it would start looking toward the day when in 50 to 100 years things will change. They view the gun rights issue with an "all or nothing" attitude, that there can be no compromise whatever. The problem with this attitude is that it sets them up so that quite possibly one day they will lose the whole loaf, not just 2/3 of it. If the NRA wants to make sure that 150 years from now people will still be allowed to own guns, they need to start working now toward some day giving up 2/3 of the loaf they now have. Otherwise they will lose it all.

 

[Bob Denman]

If it's just an "Amendment"; what do you plan to do with the rest of the Bill of Rights? :dontknow:

 

[BajaRon]

The way I see it most people, especially gun rights advocates, are missing two points. One, the population of this country is steadily increasing and that means changes will be coming, changes of all sorts. The second is the word amendment. I think that in something like 50 to 100 years from now the population of this country will have increased to the point that the majority will demand some sort to action to reduce the proliferation of guns. The more dense the population, the more rules are needed to assure everyone can get along. Everyone will have fewer rights of all sorts. The man in the middle of a major city does not have near the freedom to act as he wishes as does the man in the middle of the Arizona desert.

The 2nd Amendment is just that, an amendment. The Constitution can be, has been, and will be changed by amendment. There is no quarantee anywhere in the Constitution that will prevent the 2nd Amendment from being repealed or modified. It won't happen for many years, probably not within any of our lifetimes, but I predict that some day, maybe in a hundred or so years, it will be.

In my opinion, if the NRA was wise, it would start looking toward the day when in 50 to 100 years things will change. They view the gun rights issue with an "all or nothing" attitude, that there can be no compromise whatever. The problem with this attitude is that it sets them up so that quite possibly one day they will lose the whole loaf, not just 2/3 of it. If the NRA wants to make sure that 150 years from now people will still be allowed to own guns, they need to start working now toward some day giving up 2/3 of the loaf they now have. Otherwise they will lose it all.

An interesting thought. The NRA (and I agree) feels that we will need the 2nd Amendment (as is) until we find a way to rid the world of all crime.

The real problem we are facing (with both the 1st and the 2nd amendments) is that these amendments are not being changed or reascended in a Constitutionally prescribed way. The changes are coming with a pen and a phone.

So we are turning law abiding citizens into criminals with the stroke of a single pen and a call from a single phone.

 

[PrairieSpyder]

An interesting thought. The NRA (and I agree) feels that we will need the 2nd Amendment (as is) until we find a way to rid the world of all crime.

The real problem we are facing (with both the 1st and the 2nd amendments) is that these amendments are not being changed or reascended in a Constitutionally prescribed way. The changes are coming with a pen and a phone.

So we are turning law abiding citizens into criminals with the stroke of a single pen and a call from a single phone.

:thumbup::thumbup::agree::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[kep-up]

An interesting thought. The NRA (and I agree) feels that we will need the 2nd Amendment (as is) until we find a way to rid the world of all crime.

The real problem we are facing (with both the 1st and the 2nd amendments) is that these amendments are not being changed or reascended in a Constitutionally prescribed way. The changes are coming with a pen and a phone.

So we are turning law abiding citizens into criminals with the stroke of a single pen and a call from a single phone.

AMEN! the processes that were put into place to protect our rights as thinking human beings are being ignored and bypassed by the extremely vocal pro-socialist segment of the "popular" people.

please note inscription on my Clan Campbell badge. I think it would do well for each of us to remember it daily.

 

[POPEYEART]

POPEYEART

MOVE TO PENNSYLVANIA, THE STATES CONSTITUTION HAS WRITTEN IN IT -- THE COMMONWEALTH EXPECTS IT CITIZENS TO KEEP AND BEARS ARMS FOR THE DEFENSE OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA

 

[Bob Denman]

:clap: :thumbup:
I LIKE that!

 

[ThreeWheels]

 

[BajaRon]

This may have been the original 'Hope and Change' message....

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

:shocked: An entire inch apart?
I'd say that you missed, with your second shot...

I shoot competition pistols... practice often.. & shoot a match EVERY WEEKEND.. in fact I shoot right at 3,000 rounds a month ... 99.9% of the time I hit what I aim for..

with the right to own guns... we are citizens..... without the right to own guns... we would be SLAVES !!!

another thought to ponder... why is it politicians that advocate gun control... have 24/7 armed guards ???????????????????????????????????????????????

osm

 

[Bob Denman]

I shot the outdoor 2700 matches, and the indoor 50 feet leagues... :2thumbs:
Played with pin and plate guns; just never got hooked by them...

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

I shot the outdoor 2700 matches, and the indoor 50 feet leagues... :2thumbs:
Played with pin and plate guns; just never got hooked by them...

I like 3 gun and IPSY matches best... but do shoot steel once a month to sharpen my skills.. heck .. in fact I shoot all matches within 200 mile radius..

osm

 

[grumpybob]

i grew up calling them clips, and old habits are hard to brake, one of the concerns i hear about is buying guns at gun shows. i have never done that. even for buying a rifle from someone, i have a form that needs to be filled out with the sellers name, permit number or ffl license number, and the form has to be mailed into the firearms control board of NYC so it can be shown on my rifle permit.

You need a rifle permit? Never heard of that in my part of the woods or upstate NY. I may be reading that wrong, so if you read this could you clarify that. Thanks in advance.

 

[mowin]

I belive in the 5 boroughs, you have to get a permit to own a long gun, and each one purchased has to be registered. I also believe you can only buy one long gun every 90 days.

 

[grumpybob]

I belive in the 5 boroughs, you have to get a permit to own a long gun, and each one purchased has to be registered. I also believe you can only buy one long gun every 90 days.

Us country boys wouldn't know that. I don't even get close to NYC anymore. Thanks for your reply.