Guess RS crowd doesn't rate

[otter28169]

I am very, very, very unimpressed with the new line up. Putting a larger displacement, higher HP, higher torque motor in an RT is like putting a 392 Hemi in a conversion van. It seems to me that the motor and 6 speed transmission are wasted on a vehicle that needs an immediate shock and sway bar upgrade to handle the corners. It does not make sense to me that the "sport" model of this machine is going to have the smaller and more anemic motor. I am guessing that BRP is looking to end production on the RS models, and this is a good way to do it. The RS is the model that started it all. Even though it is over-priced it is still selling, but apparently the profit margin is not good enough to upgrade the model. It is just one more model year that I have been disgusted with. On one hand,it would make me sick to have to switch to another brand such as polaris. On the other, if I am gonna have a bloated $30,000 machine shoved down my throat, I will have to look elsewhere for what I want.
I love my RS-S and will never give it up, but I am starting to take offense at the lack of effort on BRP's part.

Just sayin'...........

 

[spydaman60]

:agree: rs and rss should have been the first to get the new engine--- I would think!! oh well 365 days and counting----:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[DrewNJ]

I wouldn't be to worried about it... It just gives us another year or two to put some miles on the reliable equipment that we already have.
Let the RT peeps work out all the bugs for us....:joke::roflblack:

 

[Topshotta]

I am very, very, very unimpressed with the new line up. Putting a larger displacement, higher HP, higher torque motor in an RT is like putting a 392 Hemi in a conversion van. It seems to me that the motor and 6 speed transmission are wasted on a vehicle that needs an immediate shock and sway bar upgrade to handle the corners. It does not make sense to me that the "sport" model of this machine is going to have the smaller and more anemic motor. I am guessing that BRP is looking to end production on the RS models, and this is a good way to do it. The RS is the model that started it all. Even though it is over-priced it is still selling, but apparently the profit margin is not good enough to upgrade the model. It is just one more model year that I have been disgusted with. On one hand,it would make me sick to have to switch to another brand such as polaris. On the other, if I am gonna have a bloated $30,000 machine shoved down my throat, I will have to look elsewhere for what I want.
I love my RS-S and will never give it up, but I am starting to take offense at the lack of effort on BRP's part.

Just sayin'...........

I feel you.... Can't believe no upgrade.

 

[OJ UK]

It may just be that the engine upgrade goes where the most money is currently spent. For the time being.
That's OK by me....if the at some point in the future the RS(S) is fitted with the triple and after all of the likely
teething problems have been ironed out.
Possibly Can-Am are using the current production year to get rid of their V-Twin engine stock
and as the RS has had no real heat problems they'll use what 998s they have on the lighter sports machine.
But I hear where you're coming from and I also would like to see that triple in an RS-S of the future.
Bring it on!! Hey!! You're a young guy anyway...I'm an old fart looking at his last years of motorcycling!!

 

[spydaman60]

It may just be that the engine upgrade goes where the most money is currently spent. For the time being.
That's OK by me....if the at some point in the future the RS(S) is fitted with the triple and after all of the likely
teething problems have been ironed out.
Possibly Can-Am are using the current production year to get rid of their V-Twin engine stock
and as the RS has had no real heat problems they'll use what 998s they have on the lighter sports machine.
But I hear where you're coming from and I also would like to see that triple in an RS-S of the future.
Bring it on!! Hey!! You're a young guy anyway...I'm an old fart looking at his last years of motorcycling!!

I don't know how old you are bro, but this old fart here is 62!nojoke

 

[Wiredux]

Typically sport bikes run at higher rpms and cruisers run lower rpms. I know that riding with Lamont and Ron on the way to SpyderFest they would leave my RT in the dust. Lamont in his ST pulling a trailer still had more power then my RT. is a bigger engine really needed in an RS or ST?

 

[spydaman60]

Typically sport bikes run at higher rpms and cruisers run lower rpms. I know that riding with Lamont and Ron on the way to SpyderFest they would leave my RT in the dust. Lamont in his ST pulling a trailer still had more power then my RT. is a bigger engine really needed in an RS or ST?

needed -- no! wanted - yes!!!:thumbup:

 

[otter28169]

Typically sport bikes run at higher rpms and cruisers run lower rpms. I know that riding with Lamont and Ron on the way to SpyderFest they would leave my RT in the dust. Lamont in his ST pulling a trailer still had more power then my RT. is a bigger engine really needed in an RS or ST?

In a word............YES.

 

[Bob Denman]

The RS-S DOES get some tweaking to the VSS system... :thumbup:

 

[OJ UK]

Quote Spyderman60:I don't know how old you are bro, but this old fart here is 62!
LOL!! That comment was directed at otter28169!
62 huh? I only got three years on you, mate at 65.....
but hey, who's counting!! Keeping my knees in the breeze!
(Well, trying anyhow!!)

 

[rnet]

Nothing here that would make me spring for a new model. Last year the RS HP was reduced by 8.

 

[Lamonster]

Typically sport bikes run at higher rpms and cruisers run lower rpms. I know that riding with Lamont and Ron on the way to SpyderFest they would leave my RT in the dust. Lamont in his ST pulling a trailer still had more power then my RT. is a bigger engine really needed in an RS or ST?

For sure it was needed in the RT. The RS is the sport version of the Spyder, most sportbikes are 600cc with some 1000cc and a few 1300cc. The RS already has the upper end size wise. There are no true touring bikes that are 998cc. Even 1300cc is on the small size.

 

[BajaRon]

It may just be that the engine upgrade goes where the most money is currently spent. For the time being.
That's OK by me....if the at some point in the future the RS(S) is fitted with the triple and after all of the likely
teething problems have been ironed out.
Possibly Can-Am are using the current production year to get rid of their V-Twin engine stock
and as the RS has had no real heat problems they'll use what 998s they have on the lighter sports machine.
But I hear where you're coming from and I also would like to see that triple in an RS-S of the future.
Bring it on!! Hey!! You're a young guy anyway...I'm an old fart looking at his last years of motorcycling!!

:agree: We're all guessing, of course, but I'd say you are pretty close to right on. If you're smart you put the mods where the money is. The RT Series sells better and probably has a better net than the RS series (though I think the ST may have really bumped the numbers up).

I'm not ready for an RT and, like many, I would like to have seen the triple in the RS/ST line. That would have given me great cause to consider a new Spyder.

Let's let the RT crowd work out the kinks and hope that BRP can do us this favor next year. And who's to say there won't be a mid-model year release.. Say next spring! Just in time for riding season 2014! :thumbup:

Now that would be REAL SMART

By the way, it wouldn't be my first triple. A simpler time to be sure.

 

[Bob Denman]

Besides; the original bodywork was probably not designed with a lot of extra space around the twin...
They may not have been able to shoehorn the triple in there!

 

[StanProff]

I do understand where your coming from, Here is the other point of view from a touring perspective. Out of the box the RT is carring a couple of hundred more pounds than the RS. This alone justifies some more power. Add to this the fact that many of us are always riding 2 up loaded to the gills as well as pulling the Trailer, that empty, weights in at 250 lbs. Load it with another 100 to 150 lbs and the numbers simply overwhelm the 998 motor. We learn to adjust our riding to compensate for the lack of power and torque. We also must plan ahead when it comes to slowing down. (the better brakes on the '13 s has helped this). If you have an SM5 (as I do) it really can be a bear to pull out on an uphill incline with this type of load. A lot of clutch and a lot of throttle. I do agree that the 1300 engine should be available across the board for the spyder line as it is going to be a great improvement for the brand. I would say that within a couple of years it will be available in the RS. I think The spyder line needs to continue to offer the sport, sport touring and touring lines. There is a market for all three. You never know, maybe they will retain the 998 as a base offering in the RS and the 1300 for the top of the line in the RS S. That gets my vote.

 

[otter28169]

For sure it was needed in the RT. The RS is the sport version of the Spyder, most sportbikes are 600cc with some 1000cc and a few 1300cc. The RS already has the upper end size wise. There are no true touring bikes that are 998cc. Even 1300cc is on the small size.

The spyder is not like other bikes. And my 2005 Mach Z had much more power out of it's 1000cc SDI motor. No reason we can't tune it up a little and turn the motorcycle world on it's ear again.

 

[OJ UK]

:agree: <snip>
By the way, it wouldn't be my first triple. A simpler time to be sure.

Oooooh....very nice! Is that a Mach 1 500cc or an H2 750cc? I had a brief sojourn with a Mach 1 waaaaaay back
when its owner was in the Royal Navy and he'd broken the one into three throttle cable so I made up a new one and had the use of the bike for
around eight weeks one summer before Kawasaki had a real importer in the UK and spares were very difficult to get.
It didn't go round corners but by golly did it go in a straight line.....mainly on the rear wheel I seem to remember!!
I've got a mate who has a mint H2 and aside from the horrendous fuel costs it's gorgeous.

 

[ARtraveler]

Otter & some others. Sorry to hear that you are not excited with the offerings for the RS.

As most know, I started with the GS and then an RS before moving on to the RT.

After driving the RT's since 2010, most also know that I rented an RS while on my most recent vacation. The difference in power on the RS was very noticable to me in comparison to what I am now used to. With the standard 998 cc I do not have any complaint about less power or performance on the RS in comparison to the RT. The RS seemed like a rocket in comparison to my current RT's. We were also riding two up.

I have been complaining since day one (2010) that I thought the RT was somewhat underpowered in comparison to my previous GS/RS :spyder2:'s. There is a need for the bigger engine on the RT and with the other improvements (service levels, lower rpm shifting range, longer driving range etc)--I think they have a winner there. I would not be surprised that this technology will show up on the other models also before long.

I was thinking that my days for getting another :spyder2: were coming to closure--but know I have something to ponder very closely. Will I become a 5 :ani29: owner?

 

[BajaRon]

Oooooh....very nice! Is that a Mach 1 500cc or an H2 750cc? I had a brief sojourn with a Mach 1 waaaaaay back
when its owner was in the Royal Navy and he'd broken the one into three throttle cable so I made up a new one and had the use of the bike for
around eight weeks one summer before Kawasaki had a real importer in the UK and spares were very difficult to get.
It didn't go round corners but by golly did it go in a straight line.....mainly on the rear wheel I seem to remember!!
I've got a mate who has a mint H2 and aside from the horrendous fuel costs it's gorgeous.

This was the 500cc (499), Mach III, H1. I can't remember if it was a 69 or 70. One was white and the other red (not to much on color choices back then.) A rocket ship straight ahead and a death trap in curves. Never a dull moment!