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Got her home! Still Some Steering Issues!

IdleUp

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Ok, she's home but I'm not real happy with the steering. After the dealer re-aligned the front end, the bike steers 80% better than it did. My problem now is the bike has notchy over-sensitive steering to the right - yet the making a left turn like on a ramp, it feels somewhat normal. I think the toe-in is still a bit off. Anyone an expert on self alignment?

Here's a few images - She's Pretty!
 
Good to read that many off us had not been to far off... The rest very well could be a simple need to fine tune the handling to your needs.

As mentioned in your other thread... I tightened ours up because 80% of the time we are 2 up and heavily loaded...

One other small tip from my own mistake... I found do to my height and riding style I was pulling and pushing the handlebars in a straight forward and back motion.... Well that made the steering feel semi-uncontrollable. What I learned from another member here is to push up towards the gauges and down towards my knees.

That solved my issues for the most part in about 40 miles once I got my muscle memory to react without my thinking about what to do. After that smooth sailing...

Never needed to touch the alignment on ours. Seems our dealer did it correctly right off the bat. Sorry I cannot be of any help with that... But do a search, a few threads have been on that subject this past week... :thumbup:
 
Ok, she's home but I'm not real happy with the steering. After the dealer re-aligned the front end, the bike steers 80% better than it did. My problem now is the bike has notchy over-sensitive steering to the right - yet the making a left turn like on a ramp, it feels somewhat normal. I think the toe-in is still a bit off. Anyone an expert on self alignment?

Here's a few images - She's Pretty!

Idleup - its really important to know what else they did. They shouldn't have just aligned the front end, they should have reset the DPS settings also , this could very much explain your sensations.
 
The info I have is they checked to see it had the latest software it was - pulled the battery for reset - we changed pressures and front shock adjustments and nothing made any difference at all.

BRP told them to re-check the toe-in and they said it was out - they adjusted it and it was like 80% better than it was. However the alignment jig was just some lasers on the wall type thing and I'm sure it's not right which might be the reason for the different right and left syndrome.

Does anyone know anything on the true alignment tool for the bike?
 
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The info I have is they checked to see it had the latest software it was - pulled the battery for reset - we changed pressures and front shock adjustments and nothing made any difference at all.

BRP told them to re-check the toe-in and they said it was out - they adjusted it and it was like 80% better than it was. However the alignment jig was just some lasers on the wall type thing and I'm sure it's not right which might be the reason for the different right and left syndrome.

Does anyone know anything on the true alignment tool for the bike?
The specified alignment procedure is to first carefully center the steering. Then jack up the Spyder so the suspension is unloaded, clamp a couple of pieces of 7" long strap to the frame, and then to an 8' piece of aluminum angle hung beneath the Spyder. The aluminum is marked at the center, which is aligned with the a spot on the frame (wheel axis). A magnetic laser level is attached to the rotor (bolted down with spacers), and measurements are made to the laser line from the angle at each end mark. Both sides are done, and the measurements totalled at each end. the rear measurement is subtracted from the front. That number is compared to the spec, which is -10 mm ± 0.5 mm (or -10.5 mm ± 0.5 mm, depending on where you look in the shop manual).

After any adjustments, the steering sensors must be rezeroed via BUDS. If this was not done, or your steering wasn't properly centered before alignment, that may be the reason your Spyder acts differently to the right. If the Spyder was not jacked up when the alignment was checked, yet they used the -10 mm spec, or if they measured somewhere other than 3' fore and aft of center, that could cause issues, too. If they have an alternate means, and checked for zero toe-in on the ground with the Spyder loaded, you should be OK.
 
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This was my point in my post. this portion of the procedure is the critical part. If its not zeroed , the DPS motor will be providing assist differently across the range of motion.
 
This was my point in my post. this portion of the procedure is the critical part. If its not zeroed , the DPS motor will be providing assist differently across the range of motion.
:agree::agree::agree: In addition, if the handlebars were not properly and carefully centered when they did the zero, it would be just as bad.
 
in your statement:

After any adjustments, the steering sensors must be rezeroed via BUDS.

How and where is this done?

Thanks!

:agree::agree::agree: In addition, if the handlebars were not properly and carefully centered when they did the zero, it would be just as bad.
 
in your statement:

After any adjustments, the steering sensors must be rezeroed via BUDS.

How and where is this done?

Thanks!
This is done by centering the steering, hooking the Spyder up to the computer, and using the BUDS software (that only the authorized dealer has access to) to zero the steering angle sensor and the steering torque sensor.
 
If a guy wanted to do a quick test by marking the tie-rod ends and moving the rod just 1/4 of a turn at a time to see if the steering would improve is that going to work?

Thanks

This is done by centering the steering, hooking the Spyder up to the computer, and using the BUDS software (that only the authorized dealer has access to) to zero the steering angle sensor and the steering torque sensor.
 
If a guy wanted to do a quick test by marking the tie-rod ends and moving the rod just 1/4 of a turn at a time to see if the steering would improve is that going to work?

Thanks
I would not do it, although for a quick alignment test you can lay straightedges or straight 2x4s next to the front tires, and measure between them, front and back. The adjustment you are talking about will do nothing but make things worse if your sensor adjustment is the problem...and if you adjust the tie-rod, you will need to have the sensors zeroed anyway.
 
Roger that - I was planning on putting it back to the original settings - but I was curious to see just what difference it would make.

While not sure- I really think the toe-in/out is set wrong which is causing the erratic steering to the right.

The crest in the road you mentioned was not a factor in my test since I used on-off ramps to the right and left as a testing grounds and the pitch of the road was equal on both sides of the cloverleaf.
 
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