Gas line causing fires??

[Firefly]

Took the panels off my Spyder an got a good look around - didn't like what I found.

My gas line, along with other lines, were within 1/4" of the engine. The gas feed line obviously HAS rubbed and come into contact with the hot engine as there is visible damage - can feel an indent about 1/16" deep.

11,200 miles - so one has to wonder if this fuel line rubbing is happening on these Spyders that ignited.

None of the other hoses had damage - only the fuel feed line - which would be the main concern as far as I'm concerned.

I wrapped the various hoses with DEI heat shield and used zip-ties to hold them away from the engine. Also wrapped the upper radiator hose while I was doing this.

Easier to get to and check without the airbox in for sure. Been so long since I've had the airbox in - I can't tell you how easy or hard it would be to check your gas feed line - but I think this is an area of concern.

Here are some pics - before and after.

 

[Firefly]

And now for the after

This is what I did for now--- will do a better job when I have more time - but this makes me feel better when riding!

 

[ptoemmes]

That is one snake's nest.

Snakes
On
A
Spyder

Rubbing fuel lines is not good to say the least. Thanks for the pics.

Pete

 

[Firefly]

HAHA

That's MF Snakes on my MF Spyder :roflblack:

 

[Smylinacha]

This is what I did for now--- will do a better job when I have more time - but this makes me feel better when riding!

:thumbup: Good job with good pics! I think I wanna do that too.

 

[BRPjunkie]

What a design nightmare. These photos should set off alarms at BRP, especially with the fires reported so far.

 

[Tom in NM]

A great post Firefly . . . . .

. . . . your pictures and labels really show the problem. Your fix looks great, too.
I will be checking mine tomorrow.

Tom

 

[Neez]

Your observations and precautions seem very sensible. I will be doing likewise and inspecting frequently.

 

[gazey]

Nice work Firefly, Ill be checking mine too.
I've got to agree with others. It looks like a "bucket of chicken guts" under all that plastic.
Its a shame BRP didn't spend that little bit of extra effort to keep it all neat and tidy

 

[fastfraser]

:2thumbs: Great post and pics. Check mine in the AM.

 

[Smylinacha]

What a design nightmare.

I'm no gearhead but I was thinking the same thing! Everything looks so crammed in there and Firefly did a great job of cleaning it up. We're changing my oil today so we're gonna check ours too.

 

[Some Guy]

Good job and nice documentation with the pics. I will definitely be checking mine as well.

Keep looking out for us all!!! :thumbup:

 

[tatt2r]

i would say you nailed it ...and we should all thank you thats a great fix to a bad problem:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[tatt2r]

Scotty???? any feed back???

 

[Don in E Texas]

Great job, Firefly!!!

Thanks for all the photo's and detail work you did.

don

 

[krb1945]

FireFly... Kudo's to you for a job ...

well done! :thumbup::2thumbs:

Before either of mine start again I will be taking a close look at the lines you pointed out.

Super day to you my friend.

 

[Questions]

Took the panels off my Spyder an got a good look around - didn't like what I found.

My gas line, along with other lines, were within 1/4" of the engine. The gas feed line obviously HAS rubbed and come into contact with the hot engine as there is visible damage - can feel an indent about 1/16" deep.

11,200 miles - so one has to wonder if this fuel line rubbing is happening on these Spyders that ignited.

None of the other hoses had damage - only the fuel feed line - which would be the main concern as far as I'm concerned.

I wrapped the various hoses with DEI heat shield and used zip-ties to hold them away from the engine. Also wrapped the upper radiator hose while I was doing this.

Easier to get to and check without the airbox in for sure. Been so long since I've had the airbox in - I can't tell you how easy or hard it would be to check your gas feed line - but I think this is an area of concern.

Here are some pics - before and after.

Just wanted Thanks for the heads up.I have only about 4000ml. on my bike and it shows wear.took care of it today.Again Thanks Bagman:2thumbs:

 

[NancysToy]

Scotty???? any feed back???

I won't say it was a cause of fires, but it certainly seems to be a potential problem. Same goes for the deteriorated fuel lines and loose clamps others have found. I inspected all my lines a couple of weeks ago, and saw no such problem on Nancy's Spyder, but the potential still exists for every Spyder, including hers. As long as the lines don't rub and don't crack or fall apart where they pass near the engine, it would be more a problem from a vapor lock point of view. Gas vapors burn, contained liquid gas does not......at least not readily. More distance cannot hurt, though, and I would highly recommend it to all. You don't want a fuel line rubbing through!

The main thing I think we have to all get out of this is that this area needs to be carefully inspected, at frequent intervals; at least at every oil change. Easily overlooked, and not normally viewable since it requires removing all the body panels. Take the extra time to look it over closely, the dealer may not take the time to do so.

 

[wolfshead1]

I am shocked by the situation.Anyone can see that hazard.How much can it cost to insulate the lines and maybe rout them away from the hottest motor area.Never would any engineer group keep a job with that production practice.Do I have to buy a wing or a geezer T-glide???C-mon BRP!

 

[Lamonster]

I guess I'll be the only guy that is not concerned about this. Rubbing and wearing out a hose is bad and there's nothing wrong with putting a little extra protection on them but being close to a hot motor is not going to cause a fire. First off you need a open flame or spark to cause a fire, heat alone won't do it. If it did then my Boss Hoss would have burst into flames years ago. That thing got so hot that the gas would boil in the tank at times. nojoke

I think fumes and a open spark are the most likely cause of these fires that we've seen to date. The question is where are the gas fumes and open spark coming from? :dontknow: