Engine looses power out of a drive way

[westgl]

Has anyone had the following problem.

Your sitting a driveway getting ready to turn either left or right into traffic,

You give it 3/4 to full throttle, engine stumbles, power drops down very low, pulls you into traffic going much slower than anticipated because of the stumble, then once you are going straight (about 2-3 seconds later) you finally get full power.

This has scared the mashed potatoes, out of me more than once.

It is always from a stand still, steering cranked either left or right, trying to get into traffic. You know when you really need the extra power.

Is this part of the "safety equipment" to limit the tire from spinning??

It is Dangerous!!

I thought I would ask before I take it in for repair.

Thanks

Westgl

 

[Magic Man]

Unfortunatly if the yaw sensor sees more than 3 degrees of turn in the bars when you gas it hard, the VSS kicks in to limit potential wheel spin.

At least this is just what it sounds like from your story.

MM

 

[westgl]

VSS safety Kicks in to KILL ME OFF

Yes! I was thinking that it was the VSS yaw sensor.

How Dangerous is that safety device!!!!!!!!!

It feels like it has full power, and it gets right into traffic, then it takes away 98% of all the engines power, and leaves you stranded out in the middle of high speed traffic.

NOW THAT'S SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have not ridden a more Dangerous bike than the RT. Do to the VSS BS.

This MUST be a function that can be turned OFF!!! or removed!!!!!

Stupid Idea!!!!

That must have been a Friday Idea.

I realize it is for the uninitiated, in the rain, please protect me daddy from myself.

That Feature make's the SPYDER RT a DEATH TRAP!!!!!

Maybe after someone gets KILLED.

Can this BS feature be by passed!!

I feel Iam going to get out into traffic and my spyder is going to get me squashed.

This is one of the features that makes me not want to ride my RT.

It is really lousy that corporate has to detune, or put BS on a bike to make it safe for the people that cant handle a real bike..

That brings up a subject anyone see the F1 Adrenaline

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2007/12/10...renaline-minimalist-f1-racing-inspired-trike/

The video on Youtube is excellent.

That looks like the engineers are producing a performance vehicle to be ridden.

Not reverse compensate, like to apologize for it 's own performance.

This problem happens every time I ride that over compensated POS

Westgl

 

[canam9]

Magic Man is good, Magic Man is wise.:ani29:

 

[MouthPiece]

This has NEVER happened with my RT-S, and I've turned that sucker and gotten on it many many times.

Chris PE# 0004

 

[IWN2RYD]

Magic Man is 100% correct...

My additional $.02...

Our RT-S was this way. Some members here claimed they never felt it and I was less than accurate with my info. (Link)

Now just like a lot of items with the RT's.... This machine is simply a bike that responds different enough from what we are accustomed to, that it creates an unsettling feeling in us as we "Learn" to drive them.

Please understand that I am on your side and have and still do experience this very same sensation. So with that....

We have to "Learn" how to drive these bikes. The amount of technology that went into them compared to any other bike... Well let's be honest... Nothing compares! This means BRP is going to go more to the safe side of settings than say we want.

I want an on/off switch. They do not offer it.

If we bypass it, we void our warranty.

So the end result is we need to learn how to drive it and learn what it's limits are.

That said... I have a little advice that may help you that helped me... Keeping in mind that if you ask 10 RT owners you will get 7 different answers or opinions.

Depending on weight, road conditions (I live in a hilly area) and how much "Sport" type driving we want... The following suggested settings will vary for your needs.

• Front tire air pressure... 18 PSI

• Rear 30

• (If equipped) Rear Shock setting (1 being lowest and softest setting) Setting #5

• Front Pre-load for the shocks, #4

Those settings above are what I found to be the perfect balance between body roll (Activating the VSS sooner) and ride-ability. Does the VSS still kick in? Yes. IF I fail to enter the turns correctly (The way the bike wants vs my want). If I enter the turn the way the bike needs I can and do stay right with most Street bikes (Just ask any of those on our 200 mile ryde yesterday :shemademe_smilie::thumbup

Can I still make the VSS turn on from a stop turning left or right? Yes... Again, the angle and wants of the bike.

Please please please remember that this VSS is there to save us from loosing control or putting us in a bad situation. It is not there to endanger our lives. Is it set a bit to sensitive? Man I sure think so. Look at this though.. Show me any other mass produced "Y" factor touring bike like the RT's in the world. We are just the consumers. We did not engineer it. There very well could be a reason they have it being to sensitive and have a life saving valid reason behind not allowing us to turn off the VSS.

That said, it is our responsibility to learn how to drive the bike inside it's limits. Just like when we decide to go from a 600cc to a 1300cc street bike. They are both very different in the power department and require us to learn the limits of each bike for our safety.

The RT's are no different from that fact.

 

[NancysToy]

Are you sure you did not spin the rear tire? That will trigger the VSS for sure. If not, I would probably report this to the dealer, and if he says it is normal, I would report it to NHTSA. I agree that it could pose an unacceptable safety problem. Meanwhile, I suggest getting the Spyder straightened out before you gun it. It is a touring bike, not a hotrod. It does have limitations.

 

[boborgera]

:shocked:
The Nanny is kickin in. My GS does the same thing. I'Ve learned when pulling out with the handle bars turned hard left or right, use a little less throttle till the bars are straight[er] then hammer it:clap:

 

[spyryder]

Hmmm, let's see....3/4 to FULL throttle from a standing start with the bars cranked?? It probably would have tipped over if not for the VSS.:helpsmilie:

 

[Dudley]

3/4 to full throttle on a take off while turning????? And you call BRP stupid??? The problem is YOU, not the RT. "Here's your sign!!!"

 

[IWN2RYD]

3/4 to full throttle on a take off while turning????? And you call BRP stupid??? The problem is YOU, not the RT. "Here's your sign!!!"

Oh man... I totally missed the 3/4 throttle part... Good God man! My experience was at half throttle. Of course it it going to kick in @ 3/4 throttle... :lecturef_smilie:

Would you be kind enough to pass me one of those "Failed to read all the words" signs :yikes:pps: :roflblack:hyea:

 

[westgl]

VSS safety Kicks in to KILL ME OFF

Love the reply's

Now I know how Paul Bunyan got started.

I never said I had the bars cranked?

I tried to get away from a stop, you have to give some throttle, it is very under powered.

The Spyder is very under powered. No matter how much you rev it up in each gear.

I am used to decently powered bikes, not that I use it all the time. But it is nice to have it when you need it.

The spyder does not have it. It should be renamed the "slug" or the "snail",

The Spyder, basically has looks going for it.

I am rarely riding my snail, i mean spyder anymore I mostly ride my Suzuki 109, a Bike that can get out of it's own way, and doesn't stumble doing it.

westgl

 

[crtravelnmore]

Boborgera and IWN2RYD and Everyone else that replied to this post are right. :chat::agree:No offense, but how long have you been riding the RT?:yikes:If this is your 1st time trying to ride this touring bike like a 4 wheeler than you are over reacting! I have experienced this with my wife on the back and I learned to control the throttle and it doesn't stop me from pulling out in front of on coming traffic. You should get use to the bike instead of complaining that the bike's not getting use to you.:gaah:The RT has a very responsive throttle. All you have to do is very your steering angle and not slam the throttle. If you fell the VSS kicking in, let off the throttle and roll it again. I have a RTS SE5 and I can feel the torque from the bike depending how much and what position the throttle is held and it can make this touring bike ride like a sports bike. Learn the bike and you will be happier than wasting your time complaining about it.:shemademe_smilie:Think of VSS this way, would you rather feel the power and stability control kick in or be on the ground?ray:Oh Yeh, my post is not to offend you but to share my 2 cents and beat up on you a little.

 

[fastfraser]

If you are not going to ride it ! Sell it to some one who will appreciate it . How much. PM me.:dontknow:

 

[NancysToy]

Are you sure it is running on both cylinders? A fouled plug will turn the RT into a slug in a heartbeat. I had to shift down a gear or two every time this happened. It was not fun. New ignition and EMS turned it into a totally different animal. It will never be a M109, but it should have all the power you need to leave a traffic stop in a lively fashion, if it is running right.

 

[Justin]

Hmmm, let's see....3/4 to FULL throttle from a standing start with the bars cranked?? It probably would have tipped over if not for the VSS.:helpsmilie:

Nope. It would just do a donut

To OP
All you need to do is fab a bracket to house the rear sensors and extend the wires to the front wheels. No more VSS and no codes. There should be an option of turning it off. I believe it's there because of all the beginners that this bike attracts and would cause too many accidents with nothing there. Over the winter i'm going to try a separate sensor with a switch so I don't have to put it back if someone else rides my bike. Completly different bike with it off. You can do some major drifting around curves.

 

[RoadHammer]

sputtering and vss/tcs kicking in when you turn from a stop is nothing compared to it stalling when turning.. it has done this twice to me when i first bought it. You have to be gentle on the gas when turning from a stop or your tcs will kick in every time.

 

[canam9]

WOW

westgl,
I dont recall someone so mad at a machine. I feel for you if you think it is a pos.
We all know the money you spent on this thing. If you feel its that bad, by all means dump that pos. Or maybe give it another try. Only you can say what is right for you.
Good luck.:ani29:

 

[widowmaker2011]

Love the reply's


I tried to get away from a stop, you have to give some throttle, it is very under powered.

The Spyder is very under powered. No matter how much you rev it up in each gear.

I am used to decently powered bikes, not that I use it all the time. But it is nice to have it when you need it.



westgl

Shhhh,don't tell my 2 RTS's that they are underpowered, especially the Black one that pounded out a 400 mile 80+ mph run 2-up passing anything I wanted uphill with a way overloaded 622 trailer draggin behind it up route 77 from West Virginia to Ohio a few weeks ago. Rocketship? no. A slug, far from it.

I couldn't imagine applying that much throttle turning from a stop on any trike. I roll out moderately, get turned the way I want and give her the onion. Far more effective than what was described here.