Dog & pet owners

[grumpybob]

This morning Nan & I went to get coffee. When we got home we let both dogs, Brana
and Trolli out of their kennels. As always they started playing ruff as they
always do. All of a sudden it was like they went nuts barking and growling.
Trolli was on top of Brana and had her by the throat. I grabbed him and he
wouldn't let go, so I thought. I actually hit him in the ribs a couple of times
which didn't help a bit. By this time she was wetting on the floor and drooling
on the floor trying to breath. I grabbed him by both jaws and could not get his
mouth from around her throat. Finally I got my fingers in his mouth and
discovered Brana's collar was caught in his lower teeth, he had turned to try
and get loose and tightened her collar around her throat and his teeth. Got her
collar over his bottom teeth and that freed her and him.

She got her breath back and is okay.

He was just as scared as she was, and kept fighting harder to try to get his
teeth loose so he was shaken by the incident.

I was glad we were home when it happened or we may have had two dead dogs.

I have been around animals of all kinds all my life. Never have I seen or
heard of this happening before.

Both are fine and back to their old selves again.

 

[Smylinacha]

Wow! Glad they are ok!

 

[grumpybob]

Wow! Glad they are ok!

Thanks!! Thought I was going to break Trolli's Jaw getting them loose. Was a few scary moments.

Hope telling this may save someone elses dog.

 

[Firefly]

I never leave collars on dogs unless there's a human around... only use them when walking them on a lead.

Bad things like this happen too often-- and end up with the animal dead.

I'm glad you dodged a bullet... but please consider not leaving their collars on unless you are there to supervise them. If you're concerned about them getting out without proper ID on them--- get them chipped.

Really glad they're okay!:thumbup:

 

[boborgera]

I have been around animals of all kinds all my life. Never have I seen or
heard of this happening before.

Both are fine and back to their old selves again.

Glad their both O/K

About 8 years ago i was walking my Newfs and i came across this woman trying to pull her two dogs apart, same thing one dog's collar was caught in the others mouth.
Lucky i always carry a Leatherman so i just cut the collar off. But it was close. Hate to lose a dog even if it's not mine.
Crazy as it sounds hanging in my garage is the collar of every dog that i out lived the last 40 years. And every one is dearly missed.

 

[Firefly]

Glad their both O/K

About 8 years ago i was walking my Newfs and i came across this woman trying to pull her two dogs apart, same thing one dog's collar was caught in the others mouth.
Lucky i always carry a Leatherman so i just cut the collar off. But it was close. Hate to lose a dog even if it's not mine.
Crazy as it sounds hanging in my garage is the collar of every dog that i out lived the last 40 years. And every one is dearly missed.

You got Newfs??? :2thumbs:
That's MY breed too!
In between them right now--- lost mine 2 years ago--- will get another this fall.....:thumbup:

 

[boborgera]

You got Newfs??? :2thumbs:
That's MY breed too!
In between them right now--- lost mine 2 years ago--- will get another this fall.....:thumbup:

Sad to say they both past with in 4 months of each other about 6 years ago. Big dopey lovable marshmallows. The female was 165 pounds the male was 205 pounds. Now i have a Border Collie. Polar opposite personalities.:yikes:

 

[pjp623]

We changed from collars to harnesses several years ago after our little pug hung himself by getting caught up by the collar. They are more comfortable for the dog and much safer. :thumbup:

 

[xpeschon]

Looks like I need to change what I do with my pets and Ditch the collars.. I have 4 dogs.. I must tell a story as well,,,,, Everything was normal at one of my friends house who has 2 Cocker Spaniels, Anyway they are inside dogs and he had let them out the fenced in back yard,, and I suppose 10 minutes had gone by and he went to get them and it appears that they had gotten into a HUGE fight and one of them actually had the other around the neck, couldn't believe what was happening, anyway the bottom line is that the dogs have always gott'en along just fine, the normal barking, playing around and sometimes getting into there little shuffles but NOTHING like what apparently happened in the back yard,,, we had to rush the dog to the VET and she could not be safed,, She died shortly after... My question is this::: How is that DOGS sometimes will TURN on each other even though they have grown up together for years and actually harm (in this situation kill) the other dog?? I don't get it,, Now I can tell you this,, My two little ones play around and play fight,, BUT have seen some times where one of them didn't want to play and you can tell its MAD AS HELL so to speak and have had to break them apart, kind of a scary ordeal simply cause when they are all together in there Pet room that I have in the house 10X10 I suppose it could happen when we are not at home, such as being at work,, maybe I need to change that method as well... I know I'm getting rid of the collars after this story for sure and may concern doing something differant when we are not home, They've been hanging out for years with no know HUGE fights,, Kind of strange.. Thanks for sharing your story, its making me think a bit how I operate with my pets..

X-Joe (Dog Lover...)

 

[BumbleBee]

Looks like I need to change what I do with my pets and Ditch the collars.. I have 4 dogs.. I must tell a story as well,,,,, Everything was normal at one of my friends house who has 2 Cocker Spaniels, Anyway they are inside dogs and he had let them out the fenced in back yard,, and I suppose 10 minutes had gone by and he went to get them and it appears that they had gotten into a HUGE fight and one of them actually had the other around the neck, couldn't believe what was happening, anyway the bottom line is that the dogs have always gott'en along just fine, the normal barking, playing around and sometimes getting into there little shuffles but NOTHING like what apparently happened in the back yard,,, we had to rush the dog to the VET and she could not be safed,, She died shortly after... My question is this::: How is that DOGS sometimes will TURN on each other even though they have grown up together for years and actually harm (in this situation kill) the other dog?? I don't get it,, Now I can tell you this,, My two little ones play around and play fight,, BUT have seen some times where one of them didn't want to play and you can tell its MAD AS HELL so to speak and have had to break them apart, kind of a scary ordeal simply cause when they are all together in there Pet room that I have in the house 10X10 I suppose it could happen when we are not at home, such as being at work,, maybe I need to change that method as well... I know I'm getting rid of the collars after this story for sure and may concern doing something differant when we are not home, They've been hanging out for years with no know HUGE fights,, Kind of strange.. Thanks for sharing your story, its making me think a bit how I operate with my pets..

X-Joe (Dog Lover...)

Did you know a Cocker Spaniel is an exoctic animal? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
Sorry Joe, you are not getting off that easy, has not been forgotten

 

[xpeschon]

Did you know a Cocker Spaniel is an exoctic animal? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
Sorry Joe, you are not getting off that easy, has not been forgotten

I put my foot in my mouth on that one didn't I??? Good catch Bumble Bee..


X-Joe

 

[Firefly]

I've never had two dogs at the same time, but a very good friend has 5 German Shepherds. Two of the females tend to get 'into it' every now and then. When she is not at home, all of the dogs (except for 1 really mellow older one) are in crates. When she is home they can roam, but she keeps an eye on them - especially the 2 girls that like to tangle. She also had the neighbors pit bulls pull one of them part-way through a dividing fence and bite an ear off.

Much of it will depend on the dogs temperament, but when in doubt--- keep the crated and away from potential trouble. If you do crate training from the time they're a pup, they will look at their crate as a 'safe place' that only they can go into--- and they will feel safe and content inside of it. It shouldn't be used like a punishment. Have them sleep there and feed and water them there.

I was fortunate in that my breed (Newfoundland) is very docile and he could have the run of the house after around the age of 2 years old---but he still would sleep in his crate, go to it during storms, etc.

It just pays to watch them.. and when you can't -- keep them in a protected, safe area. Keep things away from them that they can choke on or hang themselves on, etc.

 

[xpeschon]

Great advice Fly,, I need to again re-look at what I have going on at the house... Again, nice information..

X-Joe

 

[bjt]

I've never had two dogs at the same time, but a very good friend has 5 German Shepherds. Two of the females tend to get 'into it' every now and then. When she is not at home, all of the dogs (except for 1 really mellow older one) are in crates. When she is home they can roam, but she keeps an eye on them - especially the 2 girls that like to tangle. She also had the neighbors pit bulls pull one of them part-way through a dividing fence and bite an ear off.

Much of it will depend on the dogs temperament, but when in doubt--- keep the crated and away from potential trouble. If you do crate training from the time they're a pup, they will look at their crate as a 'safe place' that only they can go into--- and they will feel safe and content inside of it. It shouldn't be used like a punishment. Have them sleep there and feed and water them there.

I was fortunate in that my breed (Newfoundland) is very docile and he could have the run of the house after around the age of 2 years old---but he still would sleep in his crate, go to it during storms, etc.

It just pays to watch them.. and when you can't -- keep them in a protected, safe area. Keep things away from them that they can choke on or hang themselves on, etc.

IMO, two females can be worse than two males when it comes to dogs getting along. I think it's because females can be more protective of their family and two of them can always be in a struggle for who is the leader. Many males, especially neutered ones, are content to be a part of the "pack" once the leader is established (whether it's the human owners or another dog).

I will second Firefly's advice to crate train dogs. It can really help with housebreaking and it does become a dog's safe spot. We leave Mya's cage door open and she will often go in there and lay down instead of laying around on the floor.

 

[pjp623]

You know how sometimes a couple of guys with start to "tease" and horse around together and things will escalate to the point where they start throwing punches and reall get into it. Well the same thing happens in other species. One minute they're playing, the next they're at each others throats. We've always had at least 2 dogs at a time, most often litter mates and seen this happen. Like little kids you always need to keep an eye on them, but don't let that scare you away from having and enjoying pets.:cheers:

 

[SpyderGirl]

I never leave collars on dogs unless there's a human around... only use them when walking them on a lead.

Bad things like this happen too often-- and end up with the animal dead.

I'm glad you dodged a bullet... but please consider not leaving their collars on unless you are there to supervise them. If you're concerned about them getting out without proper ID on them--- get them chipped.

Really glad they're okay!:thumbup:

:agree: This has never happened to my dogs, but it did happen with my mom's 1 year old Boxer/Mastiff male and their 7 year old Boxer/Staffordshire female. He was playing rough with the female and nearly choked her. They do not wear collars except when outside on a leash. That's scary stuff!!

The hubby and I do Boxer rescue (fostering) and have had about 40 dogs in and out of our house. The most trouble we have had is with our female who fought with one female and fought and killed another while we were not home.

We learned our lesson and still rescue. We are actually getting a young boy tomorrow named "Lucky".

 

[Firefly]

Yup-- females are more problematic in my opinion (I'll never have a female dog).

Litter-mates certainly do rough house a lot-- and it can get out of hand later on when they get bigger and don't know how strong they really are... but it's perfectly normal for them to play rough. Part of the problem with introducing two young dogs into a house at the same time is that they can get confused on who to bond more with--- and may bond more with each other than their human... and they'll be confused on their 'place' in the family.. sometimes feeling the need to compete with their littermate for better standing. Some breeds do fine with this--- others won't.

I've seen enough dog emergencies to be a bit paranoid about things. Have run many a friends dog to Michigan State ER department under bad situations (2 bloats, 1 that ate a bottle of advil, 1 seizure, 1 ear bitten off). Of those - we only lost one (the seizure) -- but we did CPR on her and tried our best to save her. (yes-- there is such a thing as Canine CPR that dog owners should learn).

I'm in the market for another Newf-- but have tons I have to do to get my house 'puppy-proofed' again.

I'm glad this thread came up--- good info to remember that our furry family members need us to protect them-- many times from themselves......


Kudo's to you Spydergirl for doing rescue work..... :thumbup:

 

[grumpybob]

Just lost a rather long post I was going to post, so this will be a little shorter. All three of my dogs are crate trained. Trolli and Brana are Icelandic Sheepdogs 16 months old. Imported terolli from Iceland. Jake the
lab is 4.5 yrs old. He wears a harness for mantracking and pet therapy.

Firefly's advice is about the same I got in an e-mail from an AKC judge that has been married to a vet for 41 yrs. They had one dog killed & other dog broke it's jaw in same collar issue. She uses a collar to go take her dogs to the car or in a situation the might get a dog hurt if it is not collared.

I took all three of my dogs collars off as soon as things got calmed down. Will be getting a harness for both Icies within a couple of days.

We always crate the Icies when they eat, at night, and when we leave the house.

Just when you think you have things pretty much under control something like this happens.

I hope posting this will save a dog/pet's life. Even if we never know it did!!

Everybodies posts were read and appreciated.

 

[VaughnCat]

Sure can relate to how dogs can change, especially girls.... I rescued two Yorkies (brother and sister) about 5 years ago (from a puppy mill with 1800 dogs in their breeding stock). Earlier this year, everything came to a head with the little girl demonstrating such aggressive behavior (a real psycho b!+ch). Finally had to rehome her and she's doing fine in a one-dog situation with no little brother to compete with . . . our little boy, Bad Leroy Brown is a great ryding partner . . . . .

 

[bjt]

Sure can relate to how dogs can change, especially girls.... I rescued two Yorkies (brother and sister) about 5 years ago (from a puppy mill with 1800 dogs in their breeding stock). Earlier this year, everything came to a head with the little girl demonstrating such aggressive behavior (a real psycho b!+ch). Finally had to rehome her and she's doing fine in a one-dog situation with no little brother to compete with . . . our little boy, Bad Leroy Brown is a great ryding partner . . . . .

Bad Leroy Brown is adorable. We had two yorkies (brother and sister) in the past and I liked them but the male was my buddy. The biggest lap puppy I've ever had. He would be perfectly content to lay in my lap for (literally) hours on end.