Canyon Test Ride

[Tango]

Test rode the Canyon XT. What a bike. Tremendous throttle response! Excellent handling in my short ride. Very different feel and seating from my RTL. Shocked to see no heated seats. Went inside to talk "turkey" with the dealer on a RR on the floor. Ride Now Powersports, Daytona Beach FL..
What a waste of time! EXTREME RIP OFF!!!! They matched BRP's $500 gift certificate, so $1,000 off retail. Then added, $3400 F+A, $750 to do the paperwork. Plus, $250 theft protection, and $250 battery for life. $4650 in add ons. Then $2000 under wholesale for my bike, a 2020 RTL. When I said whoa on the F+A. He replied They just upped the F+A. I also told him I just bought a new truck and paperwork was $250! He replied bikes cost more to do the paperwork. Needless to say, I left! Damn, What a ride!

 

[Snoking1127]

The think the whole Canyon deal is a pump and dump! If you really want one, wait a year and see how many used ones are for sale. Lamonster said the truth about going off road with one in the review I watched.

 

[Mikey]

To me the Canyon is nice, yes, but what makes it nice? Higher off the ground, and they FINALLY put a suspension under the bike that is worth it's money! The rest is fluff in my book. Now if they had put a shaft drive under it, WELL!!!! You are still going to have to watch how you drive it off tar, it's not something you're going to be able to take out in the woods like a dirt bike! Will it go down a two track? Yup, but you can still high center it, beware! Like @Snoking1127 said, wait for a while, buy used, and just make sure you check the belly pan!

 

[wagswvu]

The think the whole Canyon deal is a pump and dump! If you really want one, wait a year and see how many used ones are for sale. Lamonster said the truth about going off road with one in the review I watched.

I think BRP went too heavy in the whole "adventure" marketing, where I see the niche is a sport touring. There are many people like me who want a more sporty bike who would also like to do some touring, but other models are too touring hardcore. If you get an F3-S, you have to retrofit bags, which don't look nice, or move into an F3-T, a Limited, or an RT, but you give up the sport look since the bags are permanent and you loose performance because outside of the F3-S with it's larger 89 tooth rear sprocket, vs the F3-T's, Limited's, or RT's with their 79 toothed rear sprockets - which is something like 11% in the off the line performance drop, and no sport mode!. Enter the Canyon - the bags come off and the pans fold into the tail, converting them to a clean looking sport bike if you don't need the bags. It also maintains the performance modes and the larger F3-S sprocket.

 

[Snoking1127]

I think BRP went too heavy in the whole "adventure" marketing, where I see the niche is a sport touring. There are many people like me who want a more sporty bike who would also like to do some touring, but other models are too touring hardcore. If you get an F3-S, you have to retrofit bags, which don't look nice, or move into an F3-T, a Limited, or an RT, but you give up the sport look since the bags are permanent and you loose performance because outside of the F3-S with it's larger 89 tooth rear sprocket, vs the F3-T's, Limited's, or RT's with their 79 toothed rear sprockets - which is something like 11% in the off the line performance drop, and no sport mode!. Enter the Canyon - the bags come off and the pans fold into the tail, converting them to a clean looking sport bike if you don't need the bags. It also maintains the performance modes and the larger F3-S sprocket.

Have you ridden a Ryker?

 

[wagswvu]

Have you ridden a Ryker?

Sure, I tested one back in 2023 before I got an F3S. I'm not sure what your point is, the Ryker isn't really a touring POU and really bare bones, it's really more of an entry level bike for that under 10k price, to help if this is only a weekend toy. However, the reason I went with a F3S over a Ryker is because once you starting adding accessories or the Rally trim, you might as well spend 3-4k more on an F3S. Like a lot of entry level motorcycles, people buy them, use then for a year or two, then trade up for an F3 or RT. If anything, the Canyon is the Ryker's bigger brother, being more equipped.

 

[Tango]

Canyon is not an option for us. Took another ride with the wife on the back. We had to switch half way thru the test ride with another rider on an F3L Special Series. Wife HATED it! Sportster like rear seat, not enough backrest, and the hand holds placed in an odd place. Too far back. She also felt very tipsy as she sat high up. Bike is really not made for two up riding.

 

[kvilian223]

$4,650 in add-ons? That’s insane. And $750 just to do paperwork? Come on. It’s frustrating when a great test ride turns into a bait-and-switch inside the showroom. Good on you for walking away, dealers like that don’t deserve your business

 

[Tango]

$4,650 in add-ons? That’s insane. And $750 just to do paperwork? Come on. It’s frustrating when a great test ride turns into a bait-and-switch inside the showroom. Good on you for walking away, dealers like that don’t deserve your business

Ride Now Powersports. Don't know how they stay in business!

 

[wagswvu]

Canyon is not an option for us. Took another ride with the wife on the back. We had to switch half way thru the test ride with another rider on an F3L Special Series. Wife HATED it! Sportster like rear seat, not enough backrest, and the hand holds placed in an odd place. Too far back. She also felt very tipsy as she sat high up. Bike is really not made for two up riding.

I say that's correct, Canyon is really for single riding/touring that could support a passenger, but the rear seat area doesn't look that comfortable for any real length of time. For 2up main riding/touring, you're better on a F3L or RT for sure.

$4,650 in add-ons? That’s insane. And $750 just to do paperwork? Come on. It’s frustrating when a great test ride turns into a bait-and-switch inside the showroom. Good on you for walking away, dealers like that don’t deserve your business

That's why I learned over the years that it's best to get numbers up front, before I even set foot in the door: what they charge for doc fee; if they are adding prep/freight; and any other bs or accessories.

 

[Tslepebull]

For the record my dealer here in Texas charged me MSRP for my Canyon STD, 750 for freight, 475 for setup, 399 for lifetime battery and the regular tax, title, and license that goes to the state. I went back and looked at my bill of sale in 2019 for my Ryker and freight was less (to Texas from Mexico) but everything else was similar.

 

[jcthorne]

I think BRP went too heavy in the whole "adventure" marketing, where I see the niche is a sport touring. There are many people like me who want a more sporty bike who would also like to do some touring, but other models are too touring hardcore. If you get an F3-S, you have to retrofit bags, which don't look nice, or move into an F3-T, a Limited, or an RT, but you give up the sport look since the bags are permanent and you loose performance because outside of the F3-S with it's larger 89 tooth rear sprocket, vs the F3-T's, Limited's, or RT's with their 79 toothed rear sprockets - which is something like 11% in the off the line performance drop, and no sport mode!. Enter the Canyon - the bags come off and the pans fold into the tail, converting them to a clean looking sport bike if you don't need the bags. It also maintains the performance modes and the larger F3-S sprocket.

Canyon does not have the larger F3S Sprocket. Clearly visible in Lamont's videos.

 

[wagswvu]

Canyon does not have the larger F3S Sprocket. Clearly visible in Lamont's videos.

Yes, you are correct, with the over sized belt guard it looks bigger than it is. Not until I took off the bags and looked at it up close that its the smaller sprocket.

 

[Snoking1127]

I would like to hear from someone as to what happens when one really spins the rear tire on gravel, is there a nanny that kicks in? If so, can the rider toggle if off?

 

[Tslepebull]

Canyon does not have the larger F3S Sprocket. Clearly visible in Lamont's videos.

To verify Jcthorne's observation, the Technical Specifications section of the Canyon owners manual lists the final drive ratio as 79/28.

 

[Tslepebull]

I would like to hear from someone as to what happens when one really spins the rear tire on gravel, is there a nanny that kicks in? If so, can the rider toggle if off?

No tire spinning on my Canyon yet, as I am still in the break in period. However, the Canyon has a Rally mode, as did my Ryker Rally. The rear tire on the Ryker spun very freely in Rally mode without the Nanny spoiling the fun. I expect the Canyon will be similar. As with the Ryker Rally, the different drive modes are rider selectable.

 

[turnerk1]

My dealer said the FA fees have gone up too. F9 has an interesting video about the dealer/mfr relationship. They don't make it sound that friendly. That said, my dealer here in Vancouver WA still helped me with the fees and converted the remainder to a nice store credit. Guess we're lucky here. Maybe you could suggest a store credit on some stuff?

I've spun the rear tire only slightly climbing some gravel hills in normal mode. Made it up OK. My understanding from the manual is that Rally mode reduces but does not eliminate rear spin. Also, I think I read the spin control is limited to activating only above a certain speed. More to follow on all that. They're complex machines.