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BP's Ultimate Grade Gas

LongIsland

LongIsland

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What do you think of BP advertising that if you fill your tank with its Ultimate with Invigorate gas (instead of regular) you can travel an additional 25 miles? I find it laughable and a grab for money.

Using the specifications for the 2020 Ford 150, which recommends using regular gas, and the average price per gallon of gas in NY, I found it will cost 64 cents per gallon more to use Ultimate ($2.19 vs $2.83 per gal).

According to its specifications, the Ford 150 will travel 575 miles on a tank (23 gal.) of gas on regular at a cost of $2.19 per gallon for a total of $50.37. Using Ultimate with invigorate, the Ford 150 will travel 600 miles at a cost of $2.83 per gallon for a total of $65.09. $14.72 additional.

I'm not spending $14.72 to travel 25 miles; that $14.72 can buy me 6.7 gallons of gas so I can travel around 168 miles. I'm sticking with the manufacturers recommendation to use regular gas in a Ford 150.
 
It's not a good thing to use an octane above what the manual calls for. Besides, you're just wasting $$. Engines are "tuned" for a particular rate of burn in the combustion chamber and the higher the octane, the slower the burn. Just trying to keep it simple as per what usually happens in fuel threads, others with intimate knowledge of fuels will chime in with much detail.
 
Premium is way overpriced for what you get.

If you had a 93 tune it would be worth while. You have to do that on a rear wheel dyno. The factory doesn't do that contrary to popular belief. I like my factory tune so it can run whatever I put in it.
 
LongIsland said:
What do you think of BP advertising that if you fill your tank with its Ultimate with Invigorate gas (instead of regular) you can travel an additional 25 miles? I find it laughable and a grab for money.

Using the specifications for the 2020 Ford 150, which recommends using regular gas, and the average price per gallon of gas in NY, I found it will cost 64 cents per gallon more to use Ultimate ($2.19 vs $2.83 per gal).

According to its specifications, the Ford 150 will travel 575 miles on a tank (23 gal.) of gas on regular at a cost of $2.19 per gallon for a total of $50.37. Using Ultimate with invigorate, the Ford 150 will travel 600 miles at a cost of $2.83 per gallon for a total of $65.09. $14.72 additional.

I'm not spending $14.72 to travel 25 miles; that $14.72 can buy me 6.7 gallons of gas so I can travel around 168 miles. I'm sticking with the manufacturers recommendation to use regular gas in a Ford 150.
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I guess I'm a Heretic :roflblack:..... I have owned three various Spyders dating back to 09 ( an 08 GS ) .... currently own a 14 RT ( 1330 eng. ) .... I have used 87 Oct. 99.999%nof the time. .... I have had no engine issues - Period.... I get high avg. gas mileage and not noticed a loss in power .... ( downshifting is your friend ) .... and with my 11 RSS I bagged a :firstplace: trophy in 14 at Spyderfest. In Vt. the difference is .80 between 87 and 91 oct. and this is the norm ..... well over 100,00 miles total so that a real amount of money, that I use for buying More Gas :ohyea: .... So if you like & use 91,93, 96 or Av gas I wish you well, it's your money ... not mine :congrats: ..... jmho .... Mike :thumbup:
 
:popcorn::popcorn:Gas threads are almost as much fun as oil threads!:popcorn::popcorn:
 
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BajaRon said:
Facts have no chance against opinion....
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Which is exactly why I have been logging the gas and miles in my wife's Spyder. We did about 10 tanks on 87, then tried to do 10 tanks of 93 to see if there was a difference. One place we stopped did not have 93, so we had to settle for 90.

Bottom line: so far, I have not seen ANY relationship between miles per gallon and the octane of the fuel that was powering the bike.

<My> version of "the facts" says that we are going to stick with 87. :thumbup:

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This leads to question why BRP wants us to use only 91+ octane. For the same reason they want us to use crappy tires?
 
Oh goody...another gas and octane thread. :roflblack:

I am also a heretic on this subject. Have owned six Spyders and am approaching 175,000 total spyder miles.

For years, (until 2015 or so), I drank the kool aid. I used premium because "they" said to.

In Alaska, the highest octane was 90. Regular was 87. No ethanol there. Pricing only 20 cents per gallon more for premium.

I have since switched over to 87 and have been using it ever since. For me.....it works just fine. I notice no difference in the performance of the Spyders. My mileage has actually improved to consistant 40 mpg on the 1330's. Here, 87 octane and 10% ethanol. I use it in all four vehicles. 1 car and 1 motorcycle, and 2 spyders.

It's not a money or a performance issue for me, but it works and I am happy.

Asbestos Suit: ON

:bowdown: :roflblack:
 
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Not a Spyder, but my step-dad and I have identical V Star 1300s, and took a 1,000 mile trip together in June. Same roads and speeds, same amount of stop-and-go, and same stations where we filled up. He runs premium exclusively, and I run 87 (we both run Top Tier). I averaged 1.8 MPG better than he, and when I bore-scoped his engine last year, he has noticeably more carbon on his valves, combustion chambers, and piston domes than my engine. Ethanol-free premium and a fuel stabilizer are great when a bike will be sitting for more than a month, but otherwise, lowest octane the engine allows is optimal in most cases. And remember that some manuals list the RON (Research Octane Number), while what you see on the pumps in the USA and a couple other countries is R+M/2 (an average of a fuel's Research and Motor Octane Numbers) and is significantly lower than RO alone. So those folks in the UK who talk about getting 98 octane petrol are actually getting the equivalent of about 93 octane by our reckoning.
 
As Paul Harvey would say....Here's a strange....
I went to my non ethanol gas station today to fill their regular. I had previously always used their premium, but with the weather cooling, I thought I'd see what the regular would do.
I pulled up to the pump and the kid - and the only one working then - said I can not put the regular in ,y bike, but I can put the premium in. HUH??? I asked him who told him that and he said his boss. So I fill with premium and I will phone next week to get to the bottom of this hypocrisy. Stay tuned.
 
RICZ said:
As Paul Harvey would say....Here's a strange....
I went to my non ethanol gas station today to fill their regular. I had previously always used their premium, but with the weather cooling, I thought I'd see what the regular would do.
I pulled up to the pump and the kid - and the only one working then - said I can not put the regular in ,y bike, but I can put the premium in. HUH??? I asked him who told him that and he said his boss. So I fill with premium and I will phone next week to get to the bottom of this hypocrisy. Stay tuned.
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I am guessing the gas jockey was getting a commission on the premium grade.
 
Out on the poor,old,slow V-Max today --- running regular grade fuel as it is not a very high compression motor---------- 45 MPG. My :spyder2: should do so well.

Which of course leads to the question-----What is the compression of the 1330 motor???????
Lew L
 
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