Advice on Performance upgrades

[madozier]

I ordered a Hindle that should be in this week and I am thinking of a new air filter but have read on a couple of threads to get a JB which will optimize the performance between the air filter and the exhaust. So I am wondering if the Evoluzione o2 modifier will work instead of the JB? It is my understanding the the o2 modifier modifies ECU while the JB does the same but it has more that one map for different conditions.

 

[freebob]

Can Am Spyder mods

I ordered a Hindle that should be in this week and I am thinking of a new air filter but have read on a couple of threads to get a JB which will optimize the performance between the air filter and the exhaust. So I am wondering if the Evoluzione o2 modifier will work instead of the JB? It is my understanding the the o2 modifier modifies ECU while the JB does the same but it has more that one map for different conditions.

OK..
I run a Two Brothers exhaust, K&N filter, 02 Modifier, NGK Iridium plugs,
canister mod, And it runs better than great, So I think your going in the right direction...Go for it.....Freebob....:doorag:

 

[tweeder]

I ordered a Hindle that should be in this week and I am thinking of a new air filter but have read on a couple of threads to get a JB which will optimize the performance between the air filter and the exhaust. So I am wondering if the Evoluzione o2 modifier will work instead of the JB? It is my understanding the the o2 modifier modifies ECU while the JB does the same but it has more that one map for different conditions.

The 02 mod is a beginning stage for tuning while the JB is more advanced. Myself as well as a few others have noticed more using them both together but you don't have to, they are designed to be used separate. It all depends on your wallet

 

[SupaMan_3]

welcome :agree:I was rolling stock with my :spyder2: up until a week ago. The JB and o2 together makes a difference nojoke. I was thinking the green filter but Alton put me on the Evoluzione Race air flow kit:2thumbs: since meeting Alton his advise has made a world of difference hyea:. :2excited: about my :spyder2::thumbup:

 

[madozier]

The 02 mod is a beginning stage for tuning while the JB is more advanced. Myself as well as a few others have noticed more using them both together but you don't have to, they are designed to be used separate. It all depends on your wallet

First I appreciate everybody's input :2thumbs:and my next question is if the o2 modifier is doing the same as the JB except the JB is better at fine tuning then wouldn't the device that makes the last adjustment to the ECU file negate the first device? I don't know much about either of the products so I have to ask this question.

Good point about the wallet that is why I am still navigating by the sun, moon, and street signs.

 

[tweeder]

First I appreciate everybody's input :2thumbs:and my next question is if the o2 modifier is doing the same as the JB except the JB is better at fine tuning then wouldn't the device that makes the last adjustment to the ECU file negate the first device? I don't know much about either of the products so I have to ask this question.

Good point about the wallet that is why I am still navigating by the sun, moon, and street signs.

They do similar, the 02 "gets you by" and will run with it but the JB has better fine tuning. As for one cancelling the other out, in theory it should but I don't know but I can feel a difference with both vs just one. The 02 was good, the JB alone was better but together they are the best, IMHO. It might not be the same for everyone. If you have the cash then spring for the JB if not the 02 will do just fine. I'm not sure how the 02 will work alone as I added the intake and fuel pressure mods all at the same time.

 

[Just Doo Me]

I have the Hindle,EVO.performance filter[not race]J.B.&02modifier,Iridium plugs and swaybar.I had the J.B. set up before adding the Evoluzione 02 mod. and did notice a performance increase [seat of the pants]but still had popping going on during deceleration.Once the 02 mod. was added i've never heard a pop from it,plus it seems to smooth the throttle response.The 02 richens the fuel signal in the closed loop phase of the mapping which helps because the stock map is so lean.The modifier was used by Two Brothers in developing the J.B. which is also suppose to change the signal but does not seem to do the job as well as the two combined like Tweeder has stated.Campverdefela has mentioned he has tried using each seperate but found the two combined works best as well as all others with these mods.If I was to do it over i'd go with the 02modifer first [cheaper]when adding a freer flowing air filter and pipe and take it from there.Also the next mod will be too add the RT shocks to the front in addition to the swaybar [unless someone develops better shocks in that price range in the mean time]same idea ones good two's better.When will it end$$$:gaah::roflblack:

 

[altonk]

They target two different areas
The o2 modifier opens the closed loop control at lower rpms < 4000
it always tells the ecu that the mixture is lean thus richening the mixture while in closed loop mode
This helps the stuttering and popping at low rpm from a lean mixture due to better air flow from aftermarket filters and exhaust

Once you have moved into open loop mode > 4k the ecu pulses the injectors based on a fixed map based on rpm, throttle position, air temp

The juice box allows you to modify this map stretching the pulses to compensate for the extra airflow ur pipe and intake allow

They are complementary and should both be used

Now that I have the turbo I have a wideband 02 sensor and datalogging so I can adjust the air fuel ratio much more accurately

For a couple hundred bucks you can add one and use the jb to tune much more precisely
Hope this helps

 

[madozier]

They target two different areas
The o2 modifier opens the closed loop control at lower rpms < 4000
it always tells the ecu that the mixture is lean thus richening the mixture while in closed loop mode
This helps the stuttering and popping at low rpm from a lean mixture due to better air flow from aftermarket filters and exhaust

Once you have moved into open loop mode > 4k the ecu pulses the injectors based on a fixed map based on rpm, throttle position, air temp

The juice box allows you to modify this map stretching the pulses to compensate for the extra airflow ur pipe and intake allow

They are complementary and should both be used

No that I have the turbo I have a wideband 02 sensor and datalogging so I can adjust the air fuel ratio much more accurately

For a couple hundred bucks you can add one and use the jb to tune much more precisely
Hope this helps

I appreciate the explanation that put it together for me.

Where did you purchase the wideband O2 sensor or is it part of the turbo mod? I read in some threads that the JB Pro requires the original O2 sensor without the modifier at least I think I read that correctly. Any suggestion on JB vs JB Pro?

 

[dave01]

If you get the JB pro, there is no need for the 02 modifier. The new JB allows a much better and precise addition and subtraction of fuel at rpm levels and at throttle positions.

 

[altonk]

The turbo kit comes with one but I ordered it without theirs and bought this one instead
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php


$209

Actually I bought this setup

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16164&cat=262&page=1&xid=68fbb78a2c2e428c8d9fe2f093660436

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16164&cat=262&page=1&xid=68fbb78a2c2e428c8d9fe2f093660436

http://www.ot-2.com/


I can log afr boost rpm and throttle position as well as acceleration
Gonna hook it up to the canbus too and reverse engineer the messages

 

[Campverdefela]

They target two different areas
The o2 modifier opens the closed loop control at lower rpms < 4000
it always tells the ecu that the mixture is lean thus richening the mixture while in closed loop mode
This helps the stuttering and popping at low rpm from a lean mixture due to better air flow from aftermarket filters and exhaust

Once you have moved into open loop mode > 4k the ecu pulses the injectors based on a fixed map based on rpm, throttle position, air temp

The juice box allows you to modify this map stretching the pulses to compensate for the extra airflow ur pipe and intake allow

They are complementary and should both be used

Now that I have the turbo I have a wideband 02 sensor and datalogging so I can adjust the air fuel ratio much more accurately

For a couple hundred bucks you can add one and use the jb to tune much more precisely
Hope this helps

Very good explanation of the 02 mod and the JB....well done!

 

[madozier]

Looks like after some research the JB Pro is the way to go since it can tune at rpm and throttle position thus eliminating the need of the O2 modifier.

Everybody has been a big help.
Thanks

 

[Firefly]

Looks like after some research the JB Pro is the way to go since it can tune at rpm and throttle position thus eliminating the need of the O2 modifier.

Everybody has been a big help.
Thanks

Just be prepared to learn a lot about fuel mapping-- and a lot of trial and error in programming the JB Pro... whereas the O2 mod is plug and PLAY....

But a device like the JB pro should be great in the long run as long as you know what yer doing or can download maps made for your setup.

I decided I'm waiting on the JB pro or Power Commander until there's a good, easy way to monitor the real results other than just seat of the pants.

 

[altonk]

Get a wideband o2 then you can tune pretty analytically

 

[Insy]

All a question of how much bang you get for the buck. Mine has the Hindle exhaust, O2 modifier and K+N airfilter. It runs like a hobo with a meat pie. Real hard to catch.

 

[altonk]

Throw some more fuel on the fire and it will run even faster

 

[aka1004]

I went from a full power commander set up with wideband o2 sensor thats self-adjusting to preset air to fuel ratio to changing condition and LCD monitor that tells me what the air to fuel ratio is at any given point of throttle position, rpm, speed and how much more fuel is being added to just running adjustable o2 controller made by dynojet AND

Inside closed loop, under 6000 rpm and 40% throttle, spyder runs about the same but above the loop, that head snapping, triggering vss accelerating in straight line at 60mph is gone...

 

[Campverdefela]

I went from a full power commander set up with wideband o2 sensor thats self-adjusting to preset air to fuel ratio to changing condition and LCD monitor that tells me what the air to fuel ratio is at any given point of throttle position, rpm, speed and how much more fuel is being added to just running adjustable o2 controller made by dynojet AND

Inside closed loop, under 6000 rpm and 40% throttle, spyder runs about the same but above the loop, that head snapping, triggering vss accelerating in straight line at 60mph is gone...

:hun: So your belief is the power commander with wideband 02 sensor is the way to go? Any negatives...

 

[aka1004]

:hun: So your belief is the power commander with wideband 02 sensor is the way to go? Any negatives...

I can not make a direct comparison with anything else but it should be the best set up if money was on object. but the cost is very high. You are looking at $1000 plus installation cost for 2nd bung for wideband sensor but it is a one of a kind set up. If you just want the power commander, it's priced about same as jb pro and made by same company and very similar but I don't think you can add wideband 2 module nor LCD to jb pro. Continous auto adjusting to changing condition with wideband2 or auto-tune is a big plus.

Oh by the way, it seems dynojet has the problem with o2 sensor figured out now. The new one has been on my spyder for 4 weeks now and no fault lights so may be pc for spyder is right on the horizon.