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2018 or beyond F3-T Wish List

If you bought vehicles by weight, they would all weigh 6 tons. If you think lighter should be cheaper, go price out a Bugatti Veyron.:D

My point wasn't the weight. My point what was included for under $23K, I probably have close to $27K in my F3's without air conditioning, 4 doors, Stereo, less HP, check out the entire list of what's included in that 2016 Buick & then compare it to the price of building a F3's. There has got to be a huge mark up on the Spyder. My Hayabusa sold for $11k with 180 HP, but racing is expensive--1298 cc rebuilt engine with all new reinforced rods, pistons, valves/springs, porting, secondary fuel injection, rebuilt reinforced trans, water injector, suspension, etc on a 530 lb close to $30K but racing is expensive 343 rwhp & 212# of torque. The Spyder's are stock with less than impressive power.
 
My point wasn't the weight. My point what was included for under $23K, I probably have close to $27K in my F3's without air conditioning, 4 doors, Stereo, less HP, check out the entire list of what's included in that 2016 Buick & then compare it to the price of building a F3's. There has got to be a huge mark up on the Spyder. My Hayabusa sold for $11k with 180 HP, but racing is expensive--1298 cc rebuilt engine with all new reinforced rods, pistons, valves/springs, porting, secondary fuel injection, rebuilt reinforced trans, water injector, suspension, etc on a 530 lb close to $30K but racing is expensive 343 rwhp & 212# of torque. The Spyder's are stock with less than impressive power.
Economies of scale, same as a low volume car. You build only a few thousand of them and it costs just as much as a high volume car/bike to design and set up manufacturing for, but you can't amortize it over a million vehicles. You have to make your money back on many fewer, so higher price.
 
Retired AF guy agrees with Retired Army guy

Go figure... ;) I agree with exactly what armyspydervet posited. (I did 20 years in the USAF, as did my wife :shemademe_smilie:)

I just bought my first '13 RT Limited with the expectation of determining if my spouse would enjoy riding double more than my past rides, And with the intent of trading it in or selling it for a down payment on a future F3-T Limited or deluxe or whatever fully loaded Touring models will be called.

We've ridden together for more time and distance in the last three weeks than the past 10 years! She loves riding double on the Spyder and is now starting to learn to drive it herself. She has her own scooter that she loves driving for the past 9 years, but has never liked anything larger until the Spyder.

Worth every penny! Looking forward to future model improvements!
 
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