Princeau99
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Looks aggressive,
I like that. Would be great if it had performance options like Elka shocks and BahaRon bar.
I like that. Would be great if it had performance options like Elka shocks and BahaRon bar.
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2015 F3 - No Camo Pics - Things are looking up!
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StealthSpyder
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From what I have read, it seemed pretty clear to me that that sport spyder ryders (read: RS, RSS) were NOT interested in the 1330 ace engine. Can't remember exactly what the reasons were for that, but I think it was along the lines of whatever additional power it does have (minimal). You lose the performance gains due to the extra weight of the motor.
Additionally, I thought that due to the nature of the torque and power band etc...it was pretty much agreed that the 1330 was NOT a performance engine nearly as much as it was a touring/cruising engine. Clearly there are some benefits as the motor has gotten high accolades from the RT ryders. But that's just it...the 1330 belongs in the touring spyders and maybe the ST's, but IMO (and from what I've read, many others) that's it. We sport spyder ryders were not interested in the 1330 so I really hope the RS/RSS line is still in existence and still has the Rotax 990 (or hopefully something even higher performance!
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Finally, while the pics are a little better than the "mule" pics that were leaked last week...I'm still not a fan of the looks. At all. Or really of any of what I've read and seen about it to be honest. BRP is targeting a demographic that is not in line with what many of us anticipated would be released this year...an entry level spyder. This spyder will no doubt be 18K+ having the 1330 engine, if that is in fact the engine it will be coming with.
At this point, my response to BRP regarding this spyder would be...
"Thanks, I guess."
It's definitely not for me. I'm hoping this isn't the only change/addition for 2015. :sour:
Additionally, I thought that due to the nature of the torque and power band etc...it was pretty much agreed that the 1330 was NOT a performance engine nearly as much as it was a touring/cruising engine. Clearly there are some benefits as the motor has gotten high accolades from the RT ryders. But that's just it...the 1330 belongs in the touring spyders and maybe the ST's, but IMO (and from what I've read, many others) that's it. We sport spyder ryders were not interested in the 1330 so I really hope the RS/RSS line is still in existence and still has the Rotax 990 (or hopefully something even higher performance!
rayFinally, while the pics are a little better than the "mule" pics that were leaked last week...I'm still not a fan of the looks. At all. Or really of any of what I've read and seen about it to be honest. BRP is targeting a demographic that is not in line with what many of us anticipated would be released this year...an entry level spyder. This spyder will no doubt be 18K+ having the 1330 engine, if that is in fact the engine it will be coming with.
At this point, my response to BRP regarding this spyder would be...
"Thanks, I guess."
It's definitely not for me. I'm hoping this isn't the only change/addition for 2015. :sour:
StealthSpyder
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I'm 31 with an RSS and respectfully disagree. I think most of the current spyder owners won't like this not because of their age (younger or older).
billybovine
Active member
Even if it is the 1330 engine, it may not be the same. Different cams and compression can narrow up the power band and increase the peak power. That would suit a sport rider better.
vided
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:agree:
wyliec
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As far as I'm concerned, you are correct. I'm twice your age and think it looks great. I might even try to trade in my 2008 SM5. Also, it still looks the same as the original pics. with the bullet proof blanket.
Rob Rodriguez
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From what I have read, it seemed pretty clear to me that that sport spyder ryders (read: RS, RSS) were NOT interested in the 1330 ace engine. Can't remember exactly what the reasons were for that, but I think it was along the lines of whatever additional power it does have (minimal). You lose the performance gains due to the extra weight of the motor.
Additionally, I thought that due to the nature of the torque and power band etc...it was pretty much agreed that the 1330 was NOT a performance engine nearly as much as it was a touring/cruising engine. Clearly there are some benefits as the motor has gotten high accolades from the RT ryders. But that's just it...the 1330 belongs in the touring spyders and maybe the ST's, but IMO (and from what I've read, many others) that's it. We sport spyder ryders were not interested in the 1330 so I really hope the RS/RSS line is still in existence and still has the Rotax 990 (or hopefully something even higher performance!
If this bike is replacing (know one knows this yet) the current RS/RSS models then I agree the 1330 motor as it exists in the RT may not be the desired motor. However I'm assuming that if this is a replacement for the RS/RSS then BRP will tune the motor specifically for the RS/RSS model. My opinion is the RS/RSS needs more power than the current twin delivers. I'm not interested in higher top speed numbers. I'm interested in more power from 0-80 mph (mid range). Something I can mash the throttle on coming out of a turn and it rips. I really don't care if its a better tuned twin or a different tuned 1330 as long as it achieves the desired results.
wyliec
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That's cold; but, I like it.
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arntufun
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You know what......................... ? I think it's bad azz !!!!!! I Love the new look !!!!!! Home freakin run !!!!!!!!!! BRP, I knew you wouldn't leave us out !!!!!!!!!!!! :firstplace:
Great job BRP !!!! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Great job BRP !!!! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
daveinva
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My thoughts (which everyone's been waiting for, right? 
)
Likes:
1. Side and rear profiles are great. ESPECIALLY the side profile. Very neat look.
2. The front headlights/foglights are also sharp.
3. I do like the exposed frame, almost Ducati-like. That should help with the heat!
Dislikes... sigh:
1. The front end is better without the camo, but it ain't growing on me. Looks like a catfish mouth.
2. The handlebars look out of place, way dinky.
3. Ditto the shorty exhaust. Great to save on weight, but it's lost in that frame.
And 4 and 5, gotta call these out:
4. The seating position. Look, I know a lot of Spyder owners come from Harleys/cruisers (or *want* Harleys/cruisers). You're used to feet-forward, you like feet-forward.
But... BUT: the Spyder doesn't handle like a cruiser. You need to move your weight around in turns, and the original "sport" position of the stock RS and the standard-like position of the ST/RT help the rider do that. With your feet forward like that, shifting your weight is going to be far harder than on current Spyders. That might make sense for the RT-- that demo might not want to be as aggressive in the twisties (although knowing many, that ain't true :joke, but on the F3, you're basically telling your market that this here is a boulevard cruiser, NOT a sport carver.
I'd like to reserve final judgment until the demo ride, but feet-forward on a Spyder strikes me as a case of BRP giving the market what it THINKS it wants, not what it REALLY wants (or let alone *needs*).
5. As folks wrote above, the reason we merry RS riders were opposed to putting the 1330 "as is" into the RS is that it clearly isn't a sporty engine. If that is indeed the 1330 in the F3, given that seating position, I'm anticipating they didn't significantly re-tune it-- again, this layout shouts "boulevard cruiser", and NOT sport bike.
Again, BRP's marketers probably thought that's the way to go. Sport bikers weren't about to give up canyon-carving en masse to go to three wheels (particularly since so many make so much fun of it) so why bother making the RS sporty?
As much as it pains me to say it, I think it's clear that BRP at least believes that the RS experiment failed, and the F3 is their attempt to go after a different, potentially more profitable demo. I wish them all the luck.
Oh, and lastly: I thought everyone here at Spyderlovers had long agreed that BRP needed an "entry level" Spyder? Guess this ain't it. Maybe they'll keep the RS around, and just make that even cheaper? :dontknow:
)Likes:
1. Side and rear profiles are great. ESPECIALLY the side profile. Very neat look.
2. The front headlights/foglights are also sharp.
3. I do like the exposed frame, almost Ducati-like. That should help with the heat!
Dislikes... sigh:
1. The front end is better without the camo, but it ain't growing on me. Looks like a catfish mouth.
2. The handlebars look out of place, way dinky.
3. Ditto the shorty exhaust. Great to save on weight, but it's lost in that frame.
And 4 and 5, gotta call these out:
4. The seating position. Look, I know a lot of Spyder owners come from Harleys/cruisers (or *want* Harleys/cruisers). You're used to feet-forward, you like feet-forward.
But... BUT: the Spyder doesn't handle like a cruiser. You need to move your weight around in turns, and the original "sport" position of the stock RS and the standard-like position of the ST/RT help the rider do that. With your feet forward like that, shifting your weight is going to be far harder than on current Spyders. That might make sense for the RT-- that demo might not want to be as aggressive in the twisties (although knowing many, that ain't true :joke
, but on the F3, you're basically telling your market that this here is a boulevard cruiser, NOT a sport carver. I'd like to reserve final judgment until the demo ride, but feet-forward on a Spyder strikes me as a case of BRP giving the market what it THINKS it wants, not what it REALLY wants (or let alone *needs*).
5. As folks wrote above, the reason we merry RS riders were opposed to putting the 1330 "as is" into the RS is that it clearly isn't a sporty engine. If that is indeed the 1330 in the F3, given that seating position, I'm anticipating they didn't significantly re-tune it-- again, this layout shouts "boulevard cruiser", and NOT sport bike.
Again, BRP's marketers probably thought that's the way to go. Sport bikers weren't about to give up canyon-carving en masse to go to three wheels (particularly since so many make so much fun of it) so why bother making the RS sporty?
As much as it pains me to say it, I think it's clear that BRP at least believes that the RS experiment failed, and the F3 is their attempt to go after a different, potentially more profitable demo. I wish them all the luck.
Oh, and lastly: I thought everyone here at Spyderlovers had long agreed that BRP needed an "entry level" Spyder? Guess this ain't it. Maybe they'll keep the RS around, and just make that even cheaper? :dontknow:
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SpyderAnn01
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But your PE still isn't worth any extra. :roflblack:
Bob Denman
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Hey Randy!!
What do you think a PE versio of one of THESE will be worth in about seven years or so??
Are you gonna pull the trigger, or what???
What do you think a PE versio of one of THESE will be worth in about seven years or so??
Are you gonna pull the trigger, or what???
Rob Rodriguez
New member
4. The seating position. Look, I know a lot of Spyder owners come from Harleys/cruisers (or *want* Harleys/cruisers). You're used to feet-forward, you like feet-forward.
But... BUT: the Spyder doesn't handle like a cruiser. You need to move your weight around in turns, and the original "sport" position of the stock RS and the standard-like position of the ST/RT help the rider do that. With your feet forward like that, shifting your weight is going to be far harder than on current Spyders. That might make sense for the RT-- that demo might not want to be as aggressive in the twisties (although knowing many, that ain't true :joke
I'd like to reserve final judgment until the demo ride, but feet-forward on a Spyder strikes me as a case of BRP giving the market what it THINKS it wants, not what it REALLY wants (or let alone *needs*).
This bothers me as well. Obviously I'll have to ride one but I left my Harley (one of the reasons anyway) because I didn't like the forward controls. I also agree this type of seating position isn't geared for an RS/RSS it's more like an ST. Maybe what we are seeing is an ST replacement?
Someone wrote it looked like the foot pegs slide on the tube. That might true and would be a great feature but you can't slide them back far enough to obtain the "sport" seating position.
Bob Denman
New member
I wonder if BRP has finally done a study, and decided that you could put a rider's feet anyplace that they'd be comfortable; once they didn't need them at stoplights anymore...
Lamonster
SpyderLovers Founder
Okay Bro are you ready for this? Here it comes....................I agree with you .........this thing is a Hotrod and it is BadA$$ and if the guys like you and Mickey Fisher like it then they did good. I see it as a blank canvas with lots of potential to make it my own just like all my cruiser bikes. :firstplace:
PMK
Active member
Noticed the front tires also before reading these posts. Oh well, the installer of them may have some "plainin" to do.
I have seen leaked photos before. Ideally this was staged by BRP to gage reactions, if not...the last photos I saw were a semi secret helicopter and the leaker was canned quickly and the DOD demanded all internet providers remove the photos.
Overall, it is pretty cool. No plans to change what we have, but it would be kind cool to MAYBE have the ability to get more power into our 2014 RTs with some engine mapping, cams if needed and so forth.
Cool link and thanks for posting.
PK
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