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Hesitation on hard right turns
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Bob Denman
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Just to Play "Devil's Advocate" for a moment... 
There's an awful lot of good information being found and spread around... :thumbup:
Has anybody thought to ask if it's really a good idea? :shocked:
PLEASE:
Tread carefully!
If you kill-off Nanny's ability to save your butt when you might need it the most... it could come back to haunt you... :yikes:
...Just sayin'...
There's an awful lot of good information being found and spread around... :thumbup:
Has anybody thought to ask if it's really a good idea? :shocked:
PLEASE:
Tread carefully!
If you kill-off Nanny's ability to save your butt when you might need it the most... it could come back to haunt you... :yikes:
...Just sayin'...
PMK
Active member
Just to Play "Devil's Advocate" for a moment...
There's an awful lot of good information being found and spread around... :thumbup:
Has anybody thought to ask if it's really a good idea? :shocked:
PLEASE:
Tread carefully!
If you kill-off Nanny's ability to save your butt when you might need it the most... it could come back to haunt you... :yikes:
...Just sayin'...
Well...one of the good things is, a calibrator CAN be set to keep safety there if desired. I do not advocated dialing out anything except for some extreme turning angles.
Oddly, modern cars provide a system override. Maybe the Spyder needs more brains, that also takes in vehicle speed. Misfires from a dead stop is not good either.
Consider the movie American Graffiti...there was scene where the girl wanted the brainy guy to Peel Out. If we survived that and no seat belts, a small bit of fine tuning should not hurt...it's all in the wrist, and if you are gonna be stupid, you better be tough.
FWIW, our personal 14 RTs is fine for girl on the back. If I start spinning tires and fish tailing it will be bad, REALLY BAD.
PK
Just to Play "Devil's Advocate" for a moment...
There's an awful lot of good information being found and spread around... :thumbup:
Has anybody thought to ask if it's really a good idea? :shocked:
PLEASE:
Tread carefully!
If you kill-off Nanny's ability to save your butt when you might need it the most... it could come back to haunt you... :yikes:
...Just sayin'...
We get it. We do. But these Spyders belong to us and we understand the risks. I'll be honest. I'm amazed at the lack of performance mods and information out there on Spyders. I expected to find a lot more... 500 ways to bolt more chrome on these things...but very little in the performance department.
We need to change that.
Just to Play "Devil's Advocate" for a moment...
There's an awful lot of good information being found and spread around... :thumbup:
Has anybody thought to ask if it's really a good idea? :shocked:
PLEASE:
Tread carefully!
If you kill-off Nanny's ability to save your butt when you might need it the most... it could come back to haunt you... :yikes:
...Just sayin'...
Thanks dad....we will be careful...
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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Without much ability to do any tuning or change a chip, and with the fuss Nanny makes on a dyno, there hasn't been much push for performance mods. There is no racing venue for these, and the ability to make mods is pretty limited. As was said, gutting the electronics and replacing the motor with the Aprilia unit makes as much sense as anything.
SNOOPY
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hchays
New member
I'm confused!!! First you want "us" to keep you in the loop. Now you want "us" to think about if it is the right thing to do...
I don't want to sound rude, but I bought an RS because I did not want a Goldwing (AKA Spyder RT). I wanted performance and at the same time a more safe way to ride. The 3 wheels (especially with 2 in the front) make these pretty darn safe. I have ridden on he street for 20+ years and can handle a little performance too. We are not looking to make our Spyders 500H.P. (Although that would be cool). We are simply trying to find a way to enjoy what we chose to spent a small fortune on to ride. I personally think it is very dangerous when I pull out of the end of my street to get in traffic and the nanny kicks in and I lose all control of forward movement. Just my 2 cents...
Ive been trying to do some homework on the can language and Looking at the schematics for the Spyder it looks like pretty common 4-5 wire systems. Yaw has Ground, reference, 12v, canhi, canlow.
I've got a message in with split second. We need to confirm that the signal modifier plays nice with modifying CAN signals on the buss. Then we will know if the signal modifier will work.
Then we just have to figure out if the steering angle sensor is 5v or 12v since its only 4 wire. This will determine if control will go through the modifier or a clamp.
It would be nice to control both with one box! We will see....
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I've got a message in with split second. We need to confirm that the signal modifier plays nice with modifying CAN signals on the buss. Then we will know if the signal modifier will work.
Then we just have to figure out if the steering angle sensor is 5v or 12v since its only 4 wire. This will determine if control will go through the modifier or a clamp.
It would be nice to control both with one box! We will see....
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SNOOPY
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PMK
Active member
I'm probably wrong, but suspect the steering sensor is 5v also with similar hi lo as the stability sensor. A calibrator would provide sweep over time, vs a single cutoff and hold. This makes sense for the steering and even chassis sensor. You set the endpoints, and then how the end ramp profiles. This lets you maintain oem performance through a given range, maybe high speed handling and throttle, but lets large steering angle or hard acceleration be tuned down from oem.
The third, but does not seemed coupled in system would be vehicle speed. Since it sputters at 0 mph, it seems BRP may not have coupled MPH with all this, but from stories may have coupled wheelspin as compared fwd wheels to rear wheels.
I am curious if Split Second even approaches this, since they deal more with engine parameters than chassis parameters.
Time will tell.
Has anyone ever talked with the MUZZY guys about this, or one of the other high performance sport bike modifiers. They should be dealing with speed limiters and other stuff constantly to make bike run on track days.
On the flip side, let's try and keep it all nice between everyone. No need to segregate riders or models. Consider that many experienced riders have forgetten more than some younger riders will ever learn. FWIW, this house rides a 14 RTs, and there is no way the wife has any interest in more than what it does. If it were my own, and a v twin, I would be reading Aprillia manuals.
PK
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PMK
Active member
Spray it!
PMK
Active member
And you think the Aprillia engine is good for over 200...If yo dial in the spray, the mixtures and so forth. you will make power, just need to be light on the thumb for better longevity. You asked for more, now you don't want it? Time to trade in for the RT?
PK
You all need to get working on some forced induction for the triple!
The vtwin isn't really all that great of a boost motor. Some have done it with OK results but its all low psi stuff. Its good for 150hp NA but after that it needs more. Maybe the Aprilia V4 motor?
Need one of you RT guys to work up 2 bar boost on that triple. See what it can really do!
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Here's an old thread might give you guys a few ideas. 
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http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...NO-MAGIC-here!&highlight=remove+wheel+sensors
:http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...NO-MAGIC-here!&highlight=remove+wheel+sensors
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