new lazer alingment

[Tx web rider]

allignment

I'm curious how was the outcome with the new laser alignment
i am tired of all the wandering mine does and all the tire replacement costs
36k miles 2 years 4th set of front tires purchased last week

I bought this tool after talking with the owner/inventor of it at the Owners event. The thing that sold me on it was it based on contact patch of the tires and not frame alinement. I'm going to be doing BajaRons Spyder and mine this week to see if it's off seeing we did both of these the old way. I plan on doing alinements here along with suspension upgrades and tuning here at Lamonster Garage to help pay for this tool. I think this will help with front tire wear too if it's scrubbing of the tires because the tires are not alined with the rear that are causing it. I'm not an expert on this but I plan on being one. :doorag:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

THE LASER ALIGNMENT MACHINES

Just a thought .....it would be nice if the company would let everyone know who has the machines and where they are located.....I don't think any purchaser would mind that info being given............IMHO.....Mike..........................and could everyone please stop showing the picture in their posts .....we' ve all seen it 10 times....Thankyou

 

[KX5062]

This is all very interesting and is founded on good science, but one thing that hasn't been addressed in this discussion is the caster/camber adjustment of the front wheels. Having the strange tire wear common to the Spyder suggests misalignment of the caster/camber and not toe adjustments.

It also should have little to do with the rear tire being incorrectly positioned. Having the rear tire incorrectly oriented should be easily seen when looking at the belt.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

CAMBER

This is all very interesting and is founded on good science, but one thing that hasn't been addressed in this discussion is the caster/camber adjustment of the front wheels. Having the strange tire wear common to the Spyder suggests misalignment of the caster/camber and not toe adjustments.

It also should have little to do with the rear tire being incorrectly positioned. Having the rear tire incorrectly oriented should be easily seen when looking at the belt.

There have been many discussions here about " Camber " you just haven't been here long enough to be awhere of them......I tried "camber" adjustment ....It had only a slight effect.....and I don't recommend it......AND BRP SAYS IT CAN'T BE DONE and has no provision in the front suspension to do it......that being said if your alignment is as good as it can be I think 30,000 + miles on OEM front tires is easily attainable........IMHO....Mike .............and thankyou for not re-posting the PICTURE :nopic::gaah:

 

[SpyRyd]

Just a thought .....it would be nice if the company would let everyone know who has the machines and where they are located.....I don't think any purchaser would mind that info being given............IMHO.....Mike..........................and could everyone please stop showing the picture in their posts .....we' ve all seen it 10 times....Thankyou

See http://www.spydercomfort.com/dealers.htm

Glad I didn't show the picture!

 

[KX5062]

There have been many discussions here about " Camber " you just haven't been here long enough to be awhere of them......I tried "camber" adjustment ....It had only a slight effect.....and I don't recommend it......AND BRP SAYS IT CAN'T BE DONE and has no provision in the front suspension to do it......that being said if your alignment is as good as it can be I think 30,000 + miles on OEM front tires is easily attainable........IMHO....Mike .............and thankyou for not re-posting the PICTURE :nopic::gaah:

Hmm, I am aware of them,

The construction of the front suspension components would permit camber adjustments by way of shimming, which I believe was part of those previous discussions; despite BRP claims to the contrary. It was my intention and purpose to introduce something aditional to this particular discussion that had not been raised that IMO was important to the topic.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

CAMBER SHIMMING

Hmm, I am aware of them,

The construction of the front suspension components would permit camber adjustments by way of shimming, which I believe was part of those previous discussions; despite BRP claims to the contrary. It was my intention and purpose to introduce something aditional to this particular discussion that had not been raised that IMO was important to the topic.

I have raised the subject .and have done the shimming....and thoroughly discussed BOTH ......you must have missed that also......As stated previously ...THE SHIMMING HAD LITTLE EFFECT......and I am not a novice , I have built two cars.....Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if you want to try it , gooooooooooo for it ....Just trying to save you some time and trouble......YOUR FRIEND Mike,

 

[1VENOM]

:bbq:

 

[NancysToy]

Cmber vs. Toe-In

On the Spyder, as on most vehicles with radial tires, camber changes have minimal effect. Wear from camber problems is also more uniform across the tire, showing feathered tread sections, rather than pronounced wear at the inside or outside. This is not true with bias ply tires, but the tendency of the radial belts to ly flat on the road even when the angle of the kingpin changes makes camber less of a factor. Scrubbing the tire sideways across the road has a much more pronounced effect, so toe-in discrepancies can wear a tire quite radically and quite fast. A spyder with proper toe-in can get 40,000 miles out of a set of front tires quite readily...providing thge suspension is kept greased and in good condition.

The problem with the 2010-2012 Spyder RT is that the toe-in changes quite a bit as the Spyder is loaded. It also changes with ride height. A heavy rider, carrying a passenger frequently, or having the front spring preload set too low will toe the front wheels out and accelerate tire wear on the inside edges. For that reason when alignment is done, it should be able to be done with a representative load and suspension settings. Unfortunately, the BRP procedure does not allow that to be done. The laser alignment tools are better, in that respect. As an alternative, the toe-in setting was increased in 2011, and it has turned out that the Spyder is more forgiving of too much toe rather than too little, so adding a little for the road seems to help. The use of Elka shocks, which raise the front end, resist the load better, and change the geometry somewhat, also seems to help.

If an owner is having excessive wear on the inside of both the front tires, I would suggest...

1. Increase the front shock preload
2. Have the Spyder aligned to the latest spec
3. Try laser alignment with a representative load during the procedure

 

[FLAspydergirl]

watch the dealer page

Too bad I do not live near there.

My tech and I were recently talking about the back wheel alignment being a potential problem.

The discussion stemmed from early wear on my back tire, and the fact my belt wants to ride-up against the flange.

We made some manual adjustments as best we could, and "things" improved; however I am certain many Spyders suffer this problem to one degree or another.

Hopefully someday we'll have someone with that unit around my area.

We are selling systems everyday check out the dealer page:
http://www.spydercomfort.com/dealers.htm and as always you Spyder Riders need to put pressure on YOUR dealer to purchase , we can also sent a rep to your dealer just let me know how we can help, (the inventors wife, kristal)

 

[FLAspydergirl]

aligning the front tires with the rearr tire

I'm interested to see how this all pans out. Could be a great asset for us riders. We've all spent more than $100 on silly farkels...... $100 for an alignment should be no big deal.

I am curious though, how they go about aligning the front wheels with the rear?

Firefly remember when aligning a Spyder you have 2 things going on : #1 the front toe #2: the front toe being square to the rear wheel. If the front target dimension is larger than the rear target dimension then the Spyder is toed OUT. If the rear target dimension is larger than the front target dimension then the Spyder is toed IN, we are looking for 1/8[SUP]th[/SUP] to 1/16[SUP]th[/SUP] larger in the REAR target dimension which equals .010 to .020 total toe IN.

We do toe to the thickness of a human hair


check out YOU TUBE to understand the process:

 

[FLAspydergirl]

perfect alignment

I have been to the micro-align shop in Edgewater when they were first getting their feet on the ground. Mike is a very meticulous tech in that the day he checked my RTL out he did every step 2 to 4 times. Making sure that nothing was missed or inaccurate. Fortunately, I had a rare Spyder that week it was right on the specifications list.

His floorboards and other items are all prime products. No sharp edges, high quality materials, machine work and well thought out.

Bobs Spyder was the only one we have seen that was perfect...most have issues, Bob has one perfect ride!!!

 

[FLAspydergirl]

true laser track technology

This isn't likely to be popular. But, why did it take someone on the outside to come up with something BRP engineers should have known all along. And, I'm not bashing BRP......it's just an honest observation.

Jerbear, first the factory has to admit that there is a PROBLEM...which they tend to not do and just so all readers understand: the process was invented by my husband for our 14 race cars in our race school...it was invented for our OWN USE and when our race cars started beating the pants off competion it started to be the most sought after new invention " laser alignment" This is our saying "It's Time to throw away the strings !!!!
"You'll either buy, and use the True Laser Track, or you'll be following someone that did."

True Laser Track is the Best, the Easiest and the MOST Accurate Way
True Laser Track (TLT) makes Alignment Simple!

Brp probably thought they had fixed the problem BUT after aligning some 2013 I think they made it worst...check out You Tube to understand the process...it was NOT invented for the Spyder...it was adapted TO the Spyder

 

[OldDog]

Is BRP aware of this product?

Jerbear, first the factory has to admit that there is a PROBLEM...which they tend to not do and just so all readers understand: the process was invented by my husband for our 14 race cars in our race school...it was invented for our OWN USE and when our race cars started beating the pants off competion it started to be the most sought after new invention " laser alignment" This is our saying "It's Time to throw away the strings !!!!
"You'll either buy, and use the True Laser Track, or you'll be following someone that did."

True Laser Track is the Best, the Easiest and the MOST Accurate Way
True Laser Track (TLT) makes Alignment Simple!

Brp probably thought they had fixed the problem BUT after aligning some 2013 I think they made it worst...check out You Tube to understand the process...it was NOT invented for the Spyder...it was adapted TO the Spyder

Have you talked to or been approached by a BRP company representative about applying this tool to their assembly line process? If they haven't already, they should consider using your product. The benefits I think would be mutual.

 

[Lamonster]

Have you talked to or been approached by a BRP company representative about applying this tool to their assembly line process? If they haven't already, they should consider using your product. The benefits I think would be mutual.

They already use lasers to aline in production.

 

[OldDog]

Thanks!

They already use lasers to aline in production.

Thanks, Lamont! That is good information. How long have they been using this process?

 

[johnwinslow]

we need one in the northeast. how much and where to buy one,

 

[OldDog]

From factory to dealer alignment question

In that the Spyders are laser aligned at the factory, does the dealer merely put the tires on when it comes out of the crate or does he have to do an alignment check as well?

 

[finless]

Can a user purchase this?
The web page here:
http://www.truelasertrack.com/

Suggests a user can? Checking some of the pricing for cars etc, it seems reasonable price and someone could make that back doing local alignments for people.

Bob

 

[jtoro1]

Where in east central FL can we get this done