AMSOIL or BRP oil

[NancysToy]

I have used Amsoil in all my other bikes, even when the HD dealers tried to tell me that it would void the warranty and cause the roller bearings to slide...lol.

I never went over 3K and just never would on a V-Twin, due to the engine temps and heat produced. Now on my Goldwing I would go 6K no problem for a 6 cylinder car engine, no problem.

I would say that BRP would frown on anything beyond the recommend maintenance. Again 2500-3000 is my limit on two cylinders V or parallel...

Air-cooled V-twin and liquid-cooled V-twin are far different animals. The water-cooled engine stays a lot more uniform in temp, without the extremes of the air-cooled variety. Apples and oranges, I'm afraid. It is contamination from the wet clutch, as well as oil shear from the transmission that worry me the most. I would consider stretching the interval by 30% on a trip, if using full synthetic, but I would never go much farther.

No matter how good the oil, I never exceed manufacturers' recommendations if I can help it...especially while under warranty. No sense in tempting fate. I cannot save enough on oil to pay for a single warranty claim. Although the oil is not likely to cause an engine failure, a dealer could easily blame the failure on the lack of oil changes, and you would not have a leg to stand on. A warranty is a contract, and the customer has obligations, as does the manufacturer. One of these obligations is timely oil changes, according to the manufacturer's schedule, not the oil company's.

 

[BajaRon]

And that is the key question. I doubt BRP would agree the the oil change interval the Amsoil dealer(s) recommend. If not, maybe the Amsoil folks would cover the repairs...

What is the oil change interval for AMSOIL motorcycle oils?
Answer: AMSOIL motorcycle oils are engineered to provide protection up to twice the manufacturer’s recommended change interval or one year, whichever comes first.

Will extending oil change intervals void new vehicle warranties?
Answer: No. Extending oil change intervals will not void new vehicle warranties. To affect the vehicle warranty, it must be determined that the lubricant was directly responsible for the failure; if the oil didn’t cause the problem, the warranty cannot be voided, regardless of brand or length of time in use.

Does AMSOIL have a warranty for products?
Answer: Yes. AMSOIL provides a limited warranty on all AMSOIL lubricants and filters. For additional information, contact the AMSOIL Technical Department at (715) 399-TECH (8324) or [email protected].

 

[YPILOT]

Amsoil is even cheaper when you consider that you can go twice the distance between oil changes and still get better protection.

:agree: I've been using Amsoil for a couple of years now. I change it every 6000 miles but I replace the filter every 3000 miles. Between oil changes I change the filter and top off the oil.

 

[wngrr]

I've been using extended oil change intervals, every 5000 miles, for many years in many different kinds of engines without issues. Dirt/dust getting past your air filter will cause you to have to change your oil long before it stops protecting the internal parts and pieces. Todays oils are not the same oils our fathers had to use. Shear, although certainly a concern in motorcycle engines, is not the issue it used to be. Many companies have been using extended oil change plans for many, many years without adding to their repair costs or to vehicle downtime for their fleets. Pick a good oil, change every 5000 to 6000 miles and all will be well. My oil of choice for the Spyder is Amsoil..

David

 

[Bad Dog6]

Buy AMSOIL wholesale

Everything Ron said regarding AMSOIL is true. AMSOIL has been the leader in synthetic lubrication since 1972. There are other good synthetic oils out there but no one can touch the quality according to ASTM testing which is the industry standard. Two times OEM recommended change interval is what AMSOIL recommends. They have wharehouses full of test data to prove it.

I have been involved with AMSOIL as a dealer since 2002, I have been to the plant and I have seen the data. A great company. Owned by the Amatuzio family. American made. As a side note. The AMSOIL Signature Series automotive oil has a 25,000 mile 12 month, which ever comes first, change interval. I have followed that recommendation in all my vehicles since 2002 and backed it with oil analysis. The oil performed as advertised.. 6,000 mile changes in the Spyder is a cake walk for AMSOIL 10W-40 product code MCF.

If you would to buy wholesale with a 6 month "Preferred Customer" membership at no cost to you, click on the banner then click on the flashing banner, fill out the form and I will do the rest. You can also get it from Ron.

 

[ThreeWheels]

:agree: I've been using Amsoil for a couple of years now. I change it every 6000 miles but I replace the filter every 3000 miles. Between oil changes I change the filter and top off the oil.

How do you do that without draining the oil ?

Or do you return the used oil to the engine without replacing it ?

 

[Chazzman]

The preferred customer program through Amsoil is a decent deal, I am a preferred customer myself, just renewed my annual membership.

 

[spyder3]

How long do the filters do there job? :dontknow:

 

[BajaRon]

How do you do that without draining the oil ?

Or do you return the used oil to the engine without replacing it ?

Personally, I don't think it's necessary to change the filters. The medium used in these filters is the same as used on filters for vehicles that have a much longer oil change interval.

I've been running 5~6K between oil changes ever since I switched to Amsoil with no issues. But if you are going to change your filter(s) between oil changes you don't lose that much oil. You just top off the reservior after running the Spyder to get the filter areas replenished.

 

[spyder3]

Personally, I don't think it's necessary to change the filters. The medium used in these filters is the same as used on filters for vehicles that have a much longer oil change interval.

I've been running 5~6K between oil changes ever since I switched to Amsoil with no issues. But if you are going to change your filter(s) between oil changes you don't lose that much oil. You just top off the reservior after running the Spyder to get the filter areas replenished.

I would tend to agree with that. So, if 3k intervals are what someone wants to stick to(for fear of BRP warranty troubles:lecturef_smilie, why not just drain the oil at 3k and change the filters every other one. You will get most of the oil out and there would be no warranty issues at all. Save some money on the filters and the time changing them. :dontknow:

 

[BajaRon]

I would tend to agree with that. So, if 3k intervals are what someone wants to stick to(for fear of BRP warranty troubles:lecturef_smilie, why not just drain the oil at 3k and change the filters every other one. You will get most of the oil out and there would be no warranty issues at all. Save some money on the filters and the time changing them. :dontknow:

Personally I don't like the idea, though I don't have any testing data that would back me up. For what they do, filters are not that expensive. Plus you're leaving some old oil in the system.

I just can't see going to the trouble of changing oil, everything fresh and new, and leaving used filters and used oil in the system. Everyone has different priorities and different ways of approaching those priorities. I have always changed filters with every oil change regardless of the vehicle. I feel it's just money well spent.

 

[spyder3]

Personally I don't like the idea, though I don't have any testing data that would back me up. For what they do, filters are not that expensive. Plus you're leaving some old oil in the system.

I just can't see going to the trouble of changing oil, everything fresh and new, and leaving used filters and used oil in the system. Everyone has different priorities and different ways of approaching those priorities. I have always changed filters with every oil change regardless of the vehicle. I feel it's just money well spent.

Ron, agreed the best thing to do would be change everything every time. The premise was to stay within the confines of brp's 3k intervals and having no reprisals.

 

[BajaRon]

Ron, agreed the best thing to do would be change everything every time. The premise was to stay within the confines of brp's 3k intervals and having no reprisals.

I think BRP requires that both the oil and the filters be changed at 3k intervals so I'm not sure the oil only approach would do it. The thing about Amsoil is the huge volume of independently verified testing and data that unequivocally (just love those big words!) supports extended oil changes to at least, double the manufacturer's requirements.

Legally, any failure has to be traced to a failure of the oil to properly lubricate for the manufacturer to call into question any warranty condition. Since Amsoil provides superior lubrication at twice the mileage as brand new standard or (not actually synthetic) Synthetic oils, it is a tough case to make.

Amsoil is very active and supportive of users who keep reasonable records in assisting with any oil related warranty issues. I believe it to be true that the correct Amsoil being used, coupled with documentation that appropriate oil changes were made (at double the OEM recommended mileage), have never been cause for warranty coverage denial.

I will try to find that statement and post it.

 

[Cavman]

Bad Dog6 you live in CA I live in GA. I'm interested in the wholesale idea of purchasing Amsoil. Who wouldn't be?
Will the product be shipped locally or across the country? Drop shipped from Others may want know too?

Where does one get the Spyder filters for a 2010 Spyder RT?

Thanks!

 

[BajaRon]

Where does one get the Spyder filters for a 2010 Spyder RT?

Thanks!

Click Here!

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[arntufun]

Bad Dog6 you live in CA I live in GA. I'm interested in the wholesale idea of purchasing Amsoil. Who wouldn't be?
Will the product be shipped locally or across the country? Drop shipped from Others may want know too?

Where does one get the Spyder filters for a 2010 Spyder RT?

Thanks!

Click Here!

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Or better yet, Click Here! :roflblack:

 

[Bad Dog6]

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To get a "Preferred Customer" membership, click on my banner that will take you to my site. Click on the flashing "Trial Membership" banner and fill out and submit the form. I will get you a "Preferred Customer" account number and email it to you with instructions on how to order. The Oil is shipped directly to you from the AMSOIL warehouse closest to where you live (Not from Calif.)

As for the filters, you can get them where I get my filters. Baja Ron.

 

[MarkLawson]

What is the oil change interval for AMSOIL motorcycle oils?
Answer: AMSOIL motorcycle oils are engineered to provide protection up to twice the manufacturer’s recommended change interval or one year, whichever comes first.

Will extending oil change intervals void new vehicle warranties?
Answer: No. Extending oil change intervals will not void new vehicle warranties. To affect the vehicle warranty, it must be determined that the lubricant was directly responsible for the failure; if the oil didn’t cause the problem, the warranty cannot be voided, regardless of brand or length of time in use.

Does AMSOIL have a warranty for products?
Answer: Yes. AMSOIL provides a limited warranty on all AMSOIL lubricants and filters. For additional information, contact the AMSOIL Technical Department at (715) 399-TECH (8324) or [email protected].

So, Amsoil warranties their lubricants. If there is a lubricant failure, does that warranty extend to the damaged engine when the customer follows the lubricant manufacturer's and/or lubricant dealer's recommended change interval instead of the engine manufacturer's interval? Who pays for the repair?

 

[BajaRon]

So, Amsoil warranties their lubricants. If there is a lubricant failure, does that warranty extend to the damaged engine when the customer follows the lubricant manufacturer's and/or lubricant dealer's recommended change interval instead of the engine manufacturer's interval? Who pays for the repair?

To get specific answers Amsoil recommends calling their tech phone number.

I think the point is, if Amsoil fails then any other lubricant would have failed sooner, which would indicate that it was not the fault of the lubricant in the first place.

No one is saying that BRP is not a good quality oil. I personally like Castrol products. And I don't think any informed person would argue that Amsoil is not a superior lubricant. The question for most people comes down to; 'Do I need or want Amsoil quality and will it give me real world benefits?'.

Amsoil is actually less expensive than BRP oil (or equivalent) if you extend the change interval. There is also extensive data showing that not only does Amsoil provide superior protection over other oils when fresh, it provides better protection at double the change interval. That is why several manufacturers acknowledge and provide warranty coverage accordingly.

This being the case, claiming that Amsoil failed to provide adequate engine protection would be difficult to support. This is where Amsoil provides expert assistance in a warranty dispute. It still falls upon the owner to provide documentation showing change intervals and use of the proper Amsoil product for their application.

 

[NancysToy]

I wish it was as simple as proving you used a superior product or that the product did not cause the failure. Unfortunately, our warranties for the Spyders, which are contracts, specify the timing, not the quality of the oil. The following is an excerpt from the conditions of the warranty.

Routine maintenance as outlined in the Operator's Guide must be performed in

a timely manner. BRP reserves the right to make warranty coverage contingent​

upon proof of proper maintenance.

It is within a dealer's rights to deny a warranty claim unless it can be shown that maintenance was performed in accordance with their schedule. Fighting it, even in court, would be an uphill battle. At the very least it would be a painful hassle. I am a firm believer that oil change intervals can be extended with quality oils. The auto makers are starting to see this and extending their recommendations as they specify synthetic oils. They are also now aware that driving conditions enter into the equation, thus the oil life information now available in their digital displays. A contract is a contract, though, and if BRP says change the oil every 3K, who am I to argue?