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No Competition for Can Am

I'm more concerned that they have a profitable market (and provide good service in return). With the RT, the two major changes were real upgrades, and I'm sure we will see a fourth model in a few years. I'd rather they keep their system simple and keep making Spyders. Fix what might need fixing, and focus on a great machine rather than a list of features we barely use or care about for the sake of another year.
 
I do a lot of reading and research on the status of the motorcycle world, mostly on the business side of it. Boring to some, but I find some of it interesting. These guys do a lot of long term research in the effort to build machines that will sell. A lot of great machines have went away due to government regulations. Just ask HD and other companies that have been building motor vehicles for years. It is getting harder and more expensive to meet regs and that means fewer new models are being designed. That money is going elsewhere. As far as Honda or any other company jumping on the reverse trike band wagon I just don't see it happening because the market just isn't there. It may be some day, but not now. They are in business to make $$$ and a thousand guys wanting a reverse trike by Honda is not a money maker. Their signature machine, THE GOLD WING, isn't even what it once was. Used to walk into a Honda shop and see Wings lined up, now several shops here in Ohio won't even stock them and if they do it's only one bike. They're not selling well and big bikes from other companies aren't either. The booming market now is the smaller, lighter, less expensive machines and there are some very nice ones out there. A reverse trike with the complexity and expense of a Spyder doesn't fit that category, thus the Ryker which is selling rather well. My local dealer has more Rykers on the floor than 1330 machines. What's that tell you? Another point is that the U.S. market no longer dictates what manufacturers build and sell. It is a world market and the world is wanting smaller, lighter, less expensive, and better engineered machines, and the companies are building and selling those by the truckloads. Scooters are a good example. There are some amazing machines out there when it comes to scooters, but the U.S. gets very few of them because they don't sell well here. Overseas they sell like hotcakes. Royal Enfield's biggest machine is only a 650 yet they led the world in motorcycle sales last year. They build a very good machine by the way. Reverse trikes are a small, a very small, part of the big picture. Expensive to build with a small profit margin and the Big Four isn't interested. A vast majority of HD's, Wings, other big bikes, and Spyders are nothing more than butt jewelry that get pulled out on the weekend and MAY see 1500 miles a year. That's a lot of money just to ride to lunch on Saturday with the crew. It's getting more expensive and fewer are doing it, especially younger folks. I know there are folks out there that travel and put lots of miles on these machines, but face it, we are in the minority. BRP is not getting rich building a reverse trike. It is their other products that make them a profitable company. If it was a gold mine we would have machines from other manufacturers.
 
It's true there's no competition for trikes but it's obviously not a huge market. If it was, other players would get in. In some way they are their own competition and their main focus should be to stay in business. Which they have done but the trikes business is still young and considering the price of the units, it will always be precarious. That said the prototype of the Neowing looked awesome and it would have come with the Honda servicing network.
 
For 2024 Can-Am had a large price increase, minimal changes/partial changes for 2024 that for me was not a high enough value add to preorder or choose over a 2023 model on sale.

  • In my case the 2024 would have been about 3K more, for what IMO was less.
They missed the mark for me this time.
Honestly, had there been a performance, technical innovation improvement or even a redesign to give it a new look (utilizing the same chassis and mounting of the current design) I would have likely paid the 3-4K for the new model.

I arrived at the same conclusion. I’m moving from a 2020 RT to an F3 Limited. I first was considering the 2024 F3 as I’m an Apple person and would like the CarPlay (mostly because the BRP Connect is so bad). But as attractive as that change was, it was NOT worth the significant increase in price. I found a 2023 F3 Limited and will be happily riding that around the Country. The financial difference works out to over $4,000 in savings.

Steven
 
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There was (and still is) several small independent groups building side by side reverse trike style vehicles. Some had the rear end of a motorcycle in back and the only parts actually custom built was the front end and controls. A few were enclosed and others came in various configurations. You can find them on the Internet if you search for them. Most were very expensive and not really competition for the Polaris Slingshot. I looked at some, but being seated inside is not a good place if you get t-Boned at a stop sign or light. Not good to be T-boned on a Spyder either, but you would be more likely to be thrown clear. Seated inside and down low, you would have little chance. There is still research and experiments going on, but government regulations and money for a startup will likely keep it down to just a very few ever leaving the shop with a tag on the back.

Take a look at the T-Rex, the Slingshot, and some of the custom builds by individuals. They are not really motorcycles at all. They are more like reverse trike cars, but the style is similar to reverse trike motorcycles.
 
There's a lot of good posts here and most everyone has a salient point. I'm thinking maybe a step to the side, or possibly several, at this time.

Technology changes are having an impact on the market and even non-traditional cars are able to get into the market when they have the right product. Many smaller Trikes don't have the right product, even Can Am ebbs and flows on the legacy of their bikes already in the market and those of the existing and incoming market. The last figures I saw spent on Trikes in the Nth American market were over $1.5 Billion, I think in 2014. So big companies measure their entrance to the market, their ability to put down a legacy market, and thru keeping an eye on any changes are going to beat up any new releases such that they become a negative return. Personally, to me that market is big enough for an entry product, and Harley still do (or did 'til last year) have a trike in the Delta rather than Nabla configuration (yes, that's the Latin word that's the shape of inverse Delta) that was/is known as the Servicar. Do people really overlook the Yamaha Niken? Nobody is going to make something that looks like Can Am I think, so any Nabla Trike will come out built on an existing model by either the existing manufacturers or an aftermarket factory.

I think they are a fabulous vehicles for motorcyclists who would like to have a better contact patch with the road through their cycle and their feet if required. While so much of Europe and Nth America have to put away their bikes for a substantial part of the year, a company that has the right product and adapts with the latest technology (so it may not be a big company) will be able to score a substantial amount of that market and perhaps even just outright grow it, because I don't believe it will be a Can Am (could be a familiar shape - no getting away from that with Nabla Trikes).
 
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But that's not competition. Stick with the aftermarket.

If another company came out with a performance reverse trike I would buy it. The fact that there is none means we have to go to the aftermarket to get what we want out of the Rykers.

I think you missed the point on this one.
 
We are breaking out the tools :) I'm working with BLRtuning and Treal performance. Just ordered their stage 2 CVT clutch. I'll be installing that soon and see how much awesomeness is gained by it.

the aftermarket is great for Rykers, just wish it had a bit more from the factory.

If another company came out with a performance reverse trike I would buy it. The fact that there is none means we have to go to the aftermarket to get what we want out of the Rykers.

I think you missed the point on this one.

The point of the Ryker was to eliminate cost and find replacement buyers, that you choose to add to it is your call. Any performance based trike from another manufacturer would be F3 prices or more. If BRP added performance clutches etc to it's accessories list it would dilute the aftermarket choices, there's only so big a market and if the participants can't make money they disappear. Careful what you wish for is my point, sometimes the consumer can be their own worst enemy if they don't understand the underlying reasons for a company's decisions.
Personally I think you'll chase your tail spending tons on a Ryker then realise way more can be had from a Spyder but haven't we all done that at some point.Let me know when your bored with one gear to play with.:cheers:
 
The point of the Ryker was to eliminate cost and find replacement buyers, that you choose to add to it is your call. Any performance based trike from another manufacturer would be F3 prices or more. If BRP added performance clutches etc to it's accessories list it would dilute the aftermarket choices, there's only so big a market and if the participants can't make money they disappear. Careful what you wish for is my point, sometimes the consumer can be their own worst enemy if they don't understand the underlying reasons for a company's decisions.
Personally I think you'll chase your tail spending tons on a Ryker then realise way more can be had from a Spyder but haven't we all done that at some point.Let me know when your bored with one gear to play with.:cheers:

I'll send you the videos when I'm done. There's a garage in Canada that changed out the gearing and got the Ryker to 150mph. You don't need a spyder to have fun, totally different platform.

As far as spending money, If Kawasaki came out with an H2 powered reverse trike, yes I would spend 30k on it. It would be worth it at that point.

why dump money into the Ryker, because of the topic of this thread.. there is no other choice, no other competition out there. those of us that want to have fun, this is what we got to work with.
 
I'll send you the videos when I'm done. There's a garage in Canada that changed out the gearing and got the Ryker to 150mph. You don't need a spyder to have fun, totally different platform.

As far as spending money, If Kawasaki came out with an H2 powered reverse trike, yes I would spend 30k on it. It would be worth it at that point.

why dump money into the Ryker, because of the topic of this thread.. there is no other choice, no other competition out there. those of us that want to have fun, this is what we got to work with.

I don't have a Ryker and no plans on ever having one, but tricking one out so it has that potential is interesting to me. My 150 MPH days are over, but I enjoy seeing what mods are out there and what others are doing to their rides. Does this company offer suspension and braking upgrades to cope with that type of power? The stock setup won't handle it I'm sure. You may not get your money back when you sell or trade, but most of us rarely do recoup money spent on upgrades or shiny bits. It's your bike and your money. I say have at it and if anyone complains tell em to eat a bug. Life is short, have fun.
 
A lot of great machines have went away due to government regulations.
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That is very true. A good example is the Yamaha FJR. 2023 was the last year it was available in the EU due to the emission standards. And the sad part is that that's where their biggest market was for the bike.



Used to walk into a Honda shop and see Wings lined up, now several shops here in Ohio won't even stock them and if they do it's only one bike. ..

The Gold wing is one of Honda's hottest selling bikes. I asked this very same question at my local Honda dealer about why you never see them on the sales floor anymore. They told me that there is a waiting list to purchase them. They're sold before they arrive, so they never hit the sales floor.
 
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The one other reverse trike that I know of on the market is the T-REX. That is if you want a steering wheel that you have to remove to get in or out and put down around $60,00 for it. I would rather get two Spyders.
 
No idea what happened, but every thread breaks down like this lol... to each their own I guess.

blackphoenix38 & Cobwebs: Since you both have decided to bring this issue public....Your posts to each other were considered argumentative, which is a violation of site rules.
 
The art of interpretation is not to play what is written.:shemademe_smilie:

blackphoenix38 & Cobwebs: Since you both have decided to bring this issue public....Your posts to each other were considered argumentative, which is a violation of site rules.
 
Respectfully

Lets try it this way then. Imagine the F3 was made by Honda and the supposed upcoming electric BRP trike was made by I don't know Hop Sing motorcycles would that then be competition for the Ryker. I think it would be. Is it going to happen, I don't think so.
Point being my interpretation of competition in this case is based on whats actually available or soon to be:dontknow:
Without actual competition being available the thread is a statement of dislike for BRP's offerings at the current time. Where are we supposed to take it from there without opposing views. I could say I agree with everything blackphoenix says but then I would be wasting space and not furthering the discussion but staying inside the guidelines to be safe.
At that rate the whole forum would be a bunch of I :agree:'s None of us want that do we?
 
You can have differing opinions without attacking those who hold other opinions, and the Rules here support differing opinions but require no attacking! So, if you post politely and to the topic rather than having a go at the member, you shouldn't have any issues.

However, the moment you start posting comments aimed at/arguing with the 'member' rather than posting 'to the topic', your posts are out of line and likely to be removed without notice; and if that's something you do repeatedly, be it in one thread or many, then there's likely to be repercussions to your posting privileges also. And arguing with the Mods about it in public is even more likely to bring about those sorts of restrictions, if not bring about a complete loss of your posting privileges here. :lecturef_smilie:

So, with this post, the subject of BlackPhoenix & Cobweb's posting behaviour is CLOSED, and we're getting this thread back on the real topic! :thumbup:
 
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My point is I just want some other company to get into the reverse trike market. I think not only would it boot BRP in the butt to stop playing it safe, it would give those of us looking for other options another place to go :)
 
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