Who Out There Has Gotten The Replacement Sprocket?

[Peteoz]

You might be right, but if you're told "you're good to go" immediately after installation, I believe I'm covered if there is a problem in the future.

Yeah, YOU are probably “covered”, Ulf, but your Spyder will be off the road for quite a while if the new sprocket fails, while BRP and the Dealer argue over who is responsible and should wear the cost. BRP might be able to drag that out for years:shocked:

Pete

 

[ulflyer]

Pete: good point. I know the mechanic well enough to ask him to save me a good used one (assuming they are tossing them out) for backup purposes.

 

[Cobwebs]

You might be right, but if you're told "you're good to go" immediately after installation, I believe I'm covered if there is a problem in the future.

As long as that problem isn't a box full of neutrals just as the semi flattens the bejezus out of you because the job was done incorrectly.
The whole point of the recall is for safety. Someone must have been killed or injured to set the whole process in motion. If it was just a complaint about the quality of fit or longevity they (BRP) would say it's a consumable just like the belts, spark plugs, tyres, etc. Look at the bitching about Kenda's that goes on but have we been contacted to have them replaced free of charge.
IF the dealers are told to do it a certain way and they cut corners isn't that the same as BRP not even acknowledging there's a problem, so they are worse than BRP from a safety point of view if that's their advice.
AS for saving your used sprocket for a backup, would you fit a worn-out Kenda as a backup? If you fit the sprocket down the track for whatever reason, you would pretty much be admitting you're not overly concerned for your safety, so why even bother getting the replacement now?

 

[jaherbst]

What years and model for the sprocket replacement? Mine is a 2014 RT Limited. Have not received anything or notice from factory.

Jack

 

[Peter Aawen]

Pete: good point. I know the mechanic well enough to ask him to save me a good used one (assuming they are tossing them out) for backup purposes.

I would think that they're meant to be sending them back to BRP as part of the recall.... That's the usual requirement, at least it is here in Oz... :dontknow:

Still, as Cobwebs mentioned, is it really such a great idea to even think about replacing a 'new but now has also failed' sprocket with a 'so defective that it was subject to an officially mandated safety recall' sprocket that's been taken off your Spyder cos it wasn't up to doing its job safely/reliably anymore??

You'd REALLY wanta hope that nothing goes wrong/you don't have a prang if you do, cos YOU deciding to do that could have all sorts of legal ramifications, none of them boding well for you, but likely welcomed gladly by anyone looking for ways to get out of an insurance payout, or worse, seeking redress for any damages/injuries/deaths that might be even remotely argued you contributed towards causing! :yikes:

Just Sayin' :shocked:

 

[Peter Aawen]

What years and model for the sprocket replacement? Mine is a 2014 RT Limited. Have not received anything or notice from factory.

Jack

It's all in here Jack:

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...cket-Recall-FINALLY&highlight=sprocket+recall

:thumbup:

 

[ulflyer]

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AS for saving your used sprocket for a backup, would you fit a worn-out Kenda as a backup? If you fit the sprocket down the track for whatever reason, you would pretty much be admitting you're not overly concerned for your safety, so why even bother getting the replacement now?

Cobwebs, with over 60 years of riding, I think I'm qualified to determine what is safe for me; that's not your call. The point of having a good used one, is to not be stuck in the boonies, or elsewhere, until I can get a new one. Also, don't see the correlation of a "worn out Kenda" to my old sprocket which was still solid!

 

[Cobwebs]

Cobwebs, with over 60 years of riding, I think I'm qualified to determine what is safe for me; that's not your call. The point of having a good used one, is to not be stuck in the boonies, or elsewhere, until I can get a new one. Also, don't see the correlation of a "worn out Kenda" to my old sprocket which was still solid!

BRP think the sprockets aren't safe yet you let them and your dealer determine your fate. I'm merely pointing out the riskiness of your plan should it backfire on you.Enjoy lugging a spare and the tools needed everywhere you go.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

What years and model for the sprocket replacement? Mine is a 2014 RT Limited. Have not received anything or notice from factory.

Jack

2014s are not part of the recall. The big mystery that no one, at least no one here on the forum, has learned the answer to is what changed from 2014 to 2015 to cause the fretting problem to crop up. Was it a material change, a slight manufacturing change, or something else?

 

[Little Blue]

Mystery???

2014s are not part of the recall. The big mystery that no one, at least no one here on the forum, has learned the answer to is what changed from 2014 to 2015 to cause the fretting problem to crop up. Was it a material change, a slight manufacturing change, or something else?

I guess we will never know that answer. BUT we all can make a guess or TWO...

1. Trying to save a Nickel?
2. A Nickle Saved is a lot of $$$$.

Have Blessed Day. .... ....

 

[guzzihack]

I questioned the service dept at World Of Power Sports in Peoria about this on 1/18/23. I was told that a fix is not yet available and when it was BRP didn't cover the cost. I called BRP on 1/19/23 and was told a temporary fix which is replacing bolts is available but new sprockets are not yet and BRP will cover the expense. I feel like I may be getting some run around on this by who I'm not sure. Guess I'll just go back to riding when it warms up. Jerry (Coke) Cokel

 

[Peteoz]

I questioned the service dept at World Of Power Sports in Peoria about this on 1/18/23. I was told that a fix is not yet available and when it was BRP didn't cover the cost. I called BRP on 1/19/23 and was told a temporary fix which is replacing bolts is available but new sprockets are not yet and BRP will cover the expense. I feel like I may be getting some run around on this by who I'm not sure. Guess I'll just go back to riding when it warms up. Jerry (Coke) Cokel

You are certainly getting the run around, Jerry. Many riders have already reported having the new, silver, two piece permanent sprocket fix installed under recall. I’d be a bit worried about that dealer’s competency.:dontknow:

I certainly don’t understand what that BRP person told you. Fix Sprockets are indeed available and have been installed over the last month. Looks like BRP are keeping customers AND their own support staff in the dark. Not that that is unusual.:lecturef_smilie:

Pete

 

[T.P.]

I have a copy of the Warranty Bulletin #2019-10 rev 1 September29,2022
Required parts, front sprocket kit, (includes washer)219800553 needed 1
listed as screw 250001017 needed 1
use loctite 609 or 603 torque to 111 lbf-ft +-4
No cure time listed.

T.P.

Just an update, XPS pulley flange cleaner and a soft brush to clean splines
and take off parts are to be trashed.

 

[Peteoz]

I have a copy of the Warranty Bulletin #2019-10 rev 1 September29,2022
Required parts, front sprocket kit, (includes washer)219800553 needed 1
listed as screw 250001017 needed 1
use loctite 609 or 603 torque to 111 lbf-ft +-4
No cure time listed.

T.P.

Interesting, T.P. , thanks………so if there is a later issue attributed to the Loctite breaking down and causing sprocket issues due to it not being given cure time, the dealer will say “hey BRP, you didn’t give us instruction to let it cure”, and BRP will say “it was your responsibility to follow the Loctite installation instructions”…..sorry, but I just can’t help being cynical whenever BRP customer focus comes into the equation :dontknow:

Pete

 

[DaniBoy]

I’m just a newbie to Spyders, but I have read on here from those in the know, that too many folks keep their belt tension way too high. As I just said, I’m very new to the Spyder world but thinking back on my two wheel days, a properly asjusted motorcycle chain would have a slight sag along the top. Belts, such as our Spyders should be tight enough that there’s no sagging. Mine is 140 pounds, according to my Krikit. It doesn’t skip at all. 25k miles and all is well. I’m not claiming to be a know-it-all. Really I’m not. But how are you guys with F3’s wearing out your sprockets already? Are they made from pressed aluminum foil?

 

[Peteoz]

I’m just a newbie to Spyders, but I have read on here from those in the know, that too many folks keep their belt tension way too high. As I just said, I’m very new to the Spyder world but thinking back on my two wheel days, a properly asjusted motorcycle chain would have a slight sag along the top. Belts, such as our Spyders should be tight enough that there’s no sagging. Mine is 140 pounds, according to my Krikit. It doesn’t skip at all. 25k miles and all is well. I’m not claiming to be a know-it-all. Really I’m not. But how are you guys with F3’s wearing out your sprockets already? Are they made from pressed aluminum foil?

It could well be that tight sprocket tension plays a part, DaniBoy, but there are a serious number of Spyder riders out there who have never adjusted their belt tension from factory recommended (tight) specs, and who have never had an issues with their sprockets in many, many thousands of miles. :dontknow:

Pete

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

But how are you guys with F3’s wearing out your sprockets already? Are they made from pressed aluminum foil?

It's not just F3s. RTs are affected also. Belt tension apparently has nothing to with the sprocket fretting, or if it does it is such a small contributor that it's negligible. BRP hasn't said what they have determined the cause to be, if they really have. But I believe it has to with rotational vibration, i.e. the engine crankshaft has a minute amount of speeding up and slowing down as the the pistons get pushed down by the combustion explosion and then held back by the compression stroke. This rotational vibration from the engine is probably aggravated and amplified by the minute amount of slack in the transmission gears. If there is any amount of gap between the splines of the transmission output shaft and the splines of the sprocket there is ever so tiny bit of rotational movement between the shaft and sprocket. This tiny bit of movement eventually adds up to a noticeable amount of movement causing red metal dust to be generated and causing the splines of the sprocket to wear away.

The only thing we can be fairly sure of is the sprocket material is softer than the output shaft allowing the sprocket to wear preferentially. Why the 2014 sprockets, on the whole, have not experienced fretting is a huge unknown to the forum members. If BRP knows they ain't saying.

It's also a mystery why some ryders experience sprocket fretting and others do not even when their Spyders are the same year and model. And again, if BRP knows, they ain't saying. Maybe manufacturing tolerances are involved, i.e. parts made to the high side of the specified tolerance range actually act differently than those at the low side of the range.

If BRP had determined belt tension to be a contributor then the repair procedure would include specifications for a revised belt tension requirement.

So, to answer your question, we do not know the why and how!

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I’m just a newbie to Spyders, but I have read on here from those in the know, that too many folks keep their belt tension way too high. As I just said, I’m very new to the Spyder world but thinking back on my two wheel days, a properly asjusted motorcycle chain would have a slight sag along the top. Belts, such as our Spyders should be tight enough that there’s no sagging. Mine is 140 pounds, according to my Krikit. It doesn’t skip at all. 25k miles and all is well. I’m not claiming to be a know-it-all. Really I’m not. But how are you guys with F3’s wearing out your sprockets already? Are they made from pressed aluminum foil?

The orig. excessive belt tension caused BEARING failures ..... after BRP figuered this out they lowered the Tension and that problem went away for the most part. .... I don't think the belt tension has anything to do with the Sprocket failures. They weren't failing from 08 thru 14 ..... 15 & up have had issues. .... Either BRP changed something or some of the suppliers are screwing with the sprockets they are making .... JMHO .... Mike :thumbup:

 

[RealWing]

But I believe it has to with rotational vibration, i.e. the engine crankshaft has a minute amount of speeding up and slowing down as the the pistons get pushed down by the combustion explosion and then held back by the compression stroke.!

I agree with your assessment about crankshaft rotational speed variations. In fact these minute speed changes are how modern car computers can detect the misfiring in any one cylinder. Depending on the manufacturing tolerances on the pulley splines, fretting may or may not occur. Adding Locktite should fill in any clearance between the pulley and shaft splines, BUT only if you let it cure and harden before driving it!!
BRP may have also changed the material or maybe the heat treatment on the pulleys.
Jim

 

[askitee]

Called into the dealership for my 75k service and they are fitting my new sprocket. Given i was told I'd probably have to wait till Mar/April I am happy. Just hope the new one is actually better that the old ... now about the headlights