CarolinaSpyderRyder
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D.E.S.S. Error
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CarolinaSpyderRyder
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Yeah, tried that, no luck. Tried both keys, still no luck. Read a forum post on a can am ATV forum about grease in the ignition getting wet and causing a short, might be some merit to that...
Joel The Biker
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Spray some WD40 into the keyhole for a temporary fix
I sprayed WD40 in mine and it worked as a temporary fix. My DESS is disabled now, so no more worries.
I sprayed WD40 in mine and it worked as a temporary fix. My DESS is disabled now, so no more worries.
CarolinaSpyderRyder
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If only I had some WD 40... or a Spyder i could get to the store on... Thanks BRP.
ThreeWheels
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How do you disable the DESS ??
CarolinaSpyderRyder
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Compressed Air in Keyhole... direct results.... started... had tried at least a dozen previous starts, including right before the air.
trikermutha
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He has B.U.D.S to disable the DESS
BLUEKNIGHT911
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THIS METHOD HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED
Turn the Spyder on - off five times quickly, it should start .............. But you need to get the module re-placed ( hopefully under warranty ) ...... It will not fix it-self , it will occur again until it fails entirely ......I discovered you have a 14 RSS ....2014 was the year BRP changed the perfectly GOOD - DESS system ....now it doesn't work as well :banghead: .......... On the RT the module is behind the FRUNK rear wall , I would check a Fiche' for where yours is .... It's small ( size of a cigarette pack ) .... You can change it yourself, and you DON'T need a re-boot .....check " cheapcycleparts.com for Fiche' and price ..... good luck..........Mike ............Found it @ cheapcycleparts.com ..... part # 710004916 ....or on the fiche' picture - #614 ( for elec. system ) $132.99 , it might be cheaper on another sales site .... )
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Snowbelt Spyder
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Right, this is not a lubrication or cleanliness issue. This is all about RF communications between the DESS module and the chips in the keys. The module is the problem. If you find an independent tech with BUDS and a master tech license, they can disable the system for you. A dealer won't disable it for you. Other wise, as Mike said, replace the module before it leaves you stranded in the middle of nowhere.
Joel The Biker
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Exactly!
I dont think BRP really knows what the issue is and is just replacing the modules. But then you hear about people having the problem return. Then they have the ignition replaced, blaming the antenna, and no more problems. This problem is not unique to Spyders. BRP ATVs have the same issue, but are exposed to much more dirt and water. WD40 showed immediate results for me(suggested from the ATV forums). Now I have B.U.D.S. diagnostic software and have disabled the DESS so it will never leave me stranded.
I dont think BRP really knows what the issue is and is just replacing the modules. But then you hear about people having the problem return. Then they have the ignition replaced, blaming the antenna, and no more problems. This problem is not unique to Spyders. BRP ATVs have the same issue, but are exposed to much more dirt and water. WD40 showed immediate results for me(suggested from the ATV forums). Now I have B.U.D.S. diagnostic software and have disabled the DESS so it will never leave me stranded.
Hmm, not that we get a ton of rain here but maybe I’ll come up with some sort of ignition cover.
PaladinLV
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Strongly recommended you READ about the DESS issue started by Deanna about 3 years ago and that goes for all the others that THINK spraying it with all kinds of %$# is even an answer!
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Joel The Biker
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You can read that thread and draw whatever conclusions you want. Like I said, some people had the module replaced multiple times and still had the problem and ended up having the ignition replaced. WD40 will not harm anything, so give it a try. Do not leave your key in the ignition when you wash your spyder. This will prevent water from getting in it. If you read the ATV forums, they have lots of DESS errors and have been diagnosing the problem longer than spyder owners have. The consensus they have come up with, is that water is getting in the switch, mixing with the grease in the switch, and causing poor connections in the switch. They all recommend spraying WD40 or rubbing alcohol in the switch to solve the problem. If you can find someone with BUDS and a megatech license, then get the DESS disabled and never worry again. Good luck!!
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trikermutha
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Mine was never wet when my started acting up. I replaced the module last year and have been problem free since. Some have had to do both ignition switch and module.
Some have turned bike on and off fast,some have sprayed WD40,some have tried there other key.
Take it to the dealer for repair and make sure BRP get notified too.
Good luck
Some have turned bike on and off fast,some have sprayed WD40,some have tried there other key.
Take it to the dealer for repair and make sure BRP get notified too.
Good luck
Deanna777
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Take a look at the "Thread D.E.S.S. KEY CODE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" that I had started. It has a lot of excellent information. It is a long thread. Deanna
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IdahoMtnSpyder
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Was the water from rain or washing the bike? In either case it MIGHT be the reason. Water affects radio waves. The DESS uses an antenna to send a radio signal to the key which then responds with a code via radio wave. It MIGHT just be possible there was enough water around the ignition switch to affect the radio waves. I think they are very weak signals so it wouldn't take much to mess them up. See what happens after you've dried everything off really good.
missouriboy
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The ignition switch already has a cover: the inner flap that closes upon key removal. To avoid water in the switch, I always remove the key when washing and when parking anywhere not under a roof. Otherwise, water can run down the key, into the switch.
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