ECU remap for more torque

[Buckeye Bleau]

I will not divulge the party that was mentioned but a week or two on this site there was a post talking about on each of the best Spyder techs in the USA, at a dealership that had devised a remapping and it was currently under trials for the past six months. What will happen with this who knows.

Let's face it, whether you need it or not there are always those looking for more power, new heights, more strength and better stamina, everyone is right, just some are more right than others.

After all, like the sign states, "If I were to agree with you, we would both be wrong!" Of course that is from one perspective.

Joe

 

[old Timer]

jase, what is the address of your new website????

is it something like rotaxracing.com ?????

 

[Jase]

jase, what is the address of your new website????

is it something like rotaxracing.com ?????

Hi web site still under construction, but i thought i had better get the ok to post details on this site first as i wouldn't want to step on anyone's toes
If you have questions please shoot me a PM or email
Thanks
Jase

 

[jcthorne]

How would someone in the US take advantage of this remaping service? Can you send a file that can be uploaded to the bike via BUDS?

 

[Jase]

How would someone in the US take advantage of this remaping service? Can you send a file that can be uploaded to the bike via BUDS?

Hi
I have looked into this but couldn't justify the set up costs.
I get sent ecu's every week from all over the world, we normally have a fairly quick turn around time and can ship back promptly.
Thanks
Jase

 

[PMK]

Hi
I have looked into this but couldn't justify the set up costs.
I get sent ecu's every week from all over the world, we normally have a fairly quick turn around time and can ship back promptly.
Thanks
Jase

If a local dealer accomplishes a simple BUDS update, will that overwrite your changes or are these permanent locked data?

 

[Jase]

If a local dealer accomplishes a simple BUDS update, will that overwrite your changes or are these permanent locked data?

A basic buds check, fault clear, maint reset etc wont harm our files as they are stored in a different part of the ecu
But if you had a full firmware update (very very unlikely)yes this can run risks of the tune been wiped.
I keep all my customers details on file as well as software/firmware versions and can always rewrite tune at no cost just a small post back fee.

 

[TRLBLZR1]

@Jase

Does updating the ECU void manufacturer warranty?
Also, prior to reading this thread I was wondering if ECU setup/coding is a big part of the difference between the regular F3 and the F3-S? (the extra ~10 ponies)

I have a stock F3-S D500 (SE), and it's pretty snappy. However, I'd really love to have smoother shifting from 1'st to second. Sometimes it's a bit rough IMO. (Maybe that's completely normal.) Feathering the throttle does help, but not always. (So I'm not so sure it's the right way to do things.*)

Note: Have owned quite a few sport bikes in the past. This is the first "paddle shift" machine I've ever owned/driven.

~Bob

 

[petegtsv10]

Torque is a good thing IMO. A little more couldn't hurt anything as long as you don't go crazy with all kinds of other mods. Hell the Harleys have more Torgue than the Spyder and its only a 2 cylinder

"only a 2 cylinder" is one of the reasons it has more torque. Engines with fewer (yet larger) cylinders and longer strokes tend to have more TQ than shorter stroke multi-cyl engines. Don't forget, we are only 1330 cc. We have more hp than a H-D, but require much higher rpm to achieve that power. Personally, I prefer the higher TQ in the lower rpm range that I use most. (how often are you at >6000 rpm where your HP resides?)

 

[siny10309]

Hi
I have looked into this but couldn't justify the set up costs.
I get sent ecu's every week from all over the world, we normally have a fairly quick turn around time and can ship back promptly.
Thanks
Jase

hi Jason,

would you be able to provide a cost in US dollars if we were to send you the ECU? Also, what is the turn around time if being mailed from the US? was thinking this can be an option once the bike is parked for the winter months.

is it easy to remove the ecu?

thanks!

 

[Bruce B]

You are better to send Jason a PM or a direct email for those questions he is a great chap to deal with.

hi Jason,

would you be able to provide a cost in US dollars if we were to send you the ECU? Also, what is the turn around time if being mailed from the US? was thinking this can be an option once the bike is parked for the winter months.

is it easy to remove the ecu?

thanks!

 

[Jase]

@Jase

Does updating the ECU void manufacturer warranty?
Also, prior to reading this thread I was wondering if ECU setup/coding is a big part of the difference between the regular F3 and the F3-S? (the extra ~10 ponies)

I have a stock F3-S D500 (SE), and it's pretty snappy. However, I'd really love to have smoother shifting from 1'st to second. Sometimes it's a bit rough IMO. (Maybe that's completely normal.) Feathering the throttle does help, but not always. (So I'm not so sure it's the right way to do things.*)

Note: Have owned quite a few sport bikes in the past. This is the first "paddle shift" machine I've ever owned/driven.

~Bob

Hi Bob
The warranty this is really up to your dealers discretion,
You have to remember that "ALL" manufactures dont want any of there products changed in any way.
This includes changing of tyres , or exhaust , changes , air filter changes , cat bypass the smallest of things can void your warranty unless bought from the manufacturer.
In saying this my tunes are virtually untraceable and having worked around brp dealerships for many years i do know they will never have the equipment to read the ecu.
The coding between all the models are similar (vary from software versions) but each bike has different every day running maps all the can ams are very restricted from factory so there is a great difference between a stock and modified map and this includes helping with gear changing.
Thanks
Jase

 

[Jase]

hi Jason,

would you be able to provide a cost in US dollars if we were to send you the ECU? Also, what is the turn around time if being mailed from the US? was thinking this can be an option once the bike is parked for the winter months.

is it easy to remove the ecu?

thanks!

Hi
Im quite happy to give pricing via pm at this stage, i want to email the powers upstairs of this web site and get the ok to put the pricing on a open forum ( don't like to step on anyone's toes)
My service is fairly quick i normally say a time of 7-10 days.
depending on the bike is depending where the ecu is but normally down on the lhs under the cowling.
The ecu is held in via 3 screws if you unplug the 2 x main wire plugs (on these the plugs have a little push tang if you push this in and sweep the locking arm open in one movement the plug will come out fairly easy)
If anyone has a issue in removing these i might be able to do a step by step drawing.
Shipping these days is very fast,i just sent a ecu back to greece from australia and it took 4 days.
Any questions please feel free to ask

Thanks
Jase

 

[Peter Aawen]

Just sent you a PM Jase. :thumbup:

 

[Firefly]

Very interested in this. I heard someone in Canada was doing a similar thing, but it sounds like Jase really knows what he's talking about.

A thought comes to mind.....

Is it possible to have two ECU's and swap them from a regular one to a re-mapped one? Could a person buy an extra ECU, send it to Jase for the updates and then just replace it with their stock ECU when he ships it back? This would allow you to switch back, send it in for re-mapping again if needed without downtime, etc.

 

[TRLBLZR1]

Very interested in this. I heard someone in Canada was doing a similar thing, but it sounds like Jase really knows what he's talking about.

A thought comes to mind.....

Is it possible to have two ECU's and swap them from a regular one to a re-mapped one? Could a person buy an extra ECU, send it to Jase for the updates and then just replace it with their stock ECU when he ships it back? This would allow you to switch back, send it in for re-mapping again if needed without downtime, etc.

Good question/idea!

 

[Peteoz]

Just sent you a PM Jase. :thumbup:

Of course you have ! Now why doesn't THAT surprise me :roflblack:

Pete

 

[Peter Aawen]

Of course you have ! Now why doesn't THAT surprise me :roflblack:

Pete

What, you feeling neglected Pete?!? :dontknow: Haven't I sent you a PM lately? :sour:

It's just that I've been busy - Did the Silo Art Ride the other day (you can look it up on facebook if you want, or I can send you your very own PM! ) From my place near Adelaide it worked out at something just over 1000 km in just under 12 hours (inc time out for photo & pit stops etc) which I reckon is pretty good for a worn out & busted ex-service old fart like me, especially since we hadta do the first 400 odd km riding in a fairly wet & thick fog on soggy roads just when the roos were moving along all the verges out there.... the Spyder impressed with its handling of the marginal roads & its avoidance braking as always, while the 2wheeler hadta be somewhat more careful; but once the fog lifted & we could push on a bit, I was pretty hard pressed keeping up with the somewhat older bloke I was riding with, especially on those loooong straights out there - a few extra ponies & a bit better travelling range between the available gas stops would've made it a lot easier! :thumbup:

Check out the happy snaps below (damn, somehow pics 2 & 3 are in the wrong sequence, swap them to get the order right!)

 

[Jase]

Very interested in this. I heard someone in Canada was doing a similar thing, but it sounds like Jase really knows what he's talking about.

A thought comes to mind.....

Is it possible to have two ECU's and swap them from a regular one to a re-mapped one? Could a person buy an extra ECU, send it to Jase for the updates and then just replace it with their stock ECU when he ships it back? This would allow you to switch back, send it in for re-mapping again if needed without downtime, etc.

Hi
This is a great idea and this is what i do with the seadoo and some of the can-am guys.
The only problem is Brp in its greatest wisdom chops and changes the firmware/software so much between years that we would need more than 1 ecu to use as a exchange.
The Bosch ecu is very smart and holds so much info about a particular model that if we installed it on another model we run risks of the bike not running correctly,faults coming on incorrect mapping etc, i wish it was easier.
I do try and make it as quick and as painless as possible but in saying that i will always take my time once i have the ecu here and my mapping software on to make sure everything is correct and i give my customers the best (and safe) remaps avaliable.

 

[MikeT]

I Thought I Read Recently

That Cowtown USA(Kevin) is working on an ECU remap????? Anyone else heard about this?????
Cowtown fits the Authorized Dealer piece of the equation. Just don't know how the factory and/or extended warranty(ies) would look at it????
Can anyone else confirm this????
Mike