Time for reflection???

[irvin48]

both of these require r side panel removal.?! havnt looked at the bottom side. guess
you guys have. thank you! irv

 

[Warlock]

EXPERT= EX/PERT= EX =has been PERT= a drip under pressure. I hope 2017 is better. 15 and 16 so many feelings hurt, and mean works said. Sometimes you just have to suck it up buttercup.
David

 

[tmcquain]

Why can't we all just get along

You know, the other day there was a post about disabilities that couldn't be seen. I made a couple of comments and then thanked all the Service members and LEO, FIRE, EMS personal that had been injured. Well someone posted a response that said his thanks went to all the service members not just the ones that had been injured. Well of course I thought, ok, that is not exactly what I meant, but the post was about disabilities. I didn't cry, I didn't delete my post, I pulled up my big boy panties and moved on. Obviously I tripped his trigger, didn't mean too. It's over...same can be said with what is going on in this country this week. Everyone needs to grow up and move on....everyone....get on your Spyder's right now and go RIDE !!!!

IMHO

 

[HayRog]

I'm a member of a number of "bike" forums. For what it's worth, I've found that this one is a lot more polite than the others, but just as informative with technical info and general friendly advise and help.

Just my opinion, which I've found is ignored by most of the grand kids anyway.

 

[Peteoz]

......Did you not notice " REFLECT ON THIS " ..... My post was not directed to YOU !!!! :banghead::banghead::banghead:.... and Gruff !!!! all I did was ask a question......Mike :thumbup:

Mike,
I did indeed notice your post heading and was indeed reflecting on your comment. I was reflecting on how anyone could possibly think that it was OK NOT to bring dangerous advice to general attention:yikes:, and since only AK and I had posted at that stage, I believe it was a fair assumption that it had germinated from something that was already written. This concerned me as I hadn't seen it and would have to be more careful in my choice of words in future.

Now it's your turn to "Reflect on This" - "is it possible that some of my posts could be interpreted as gruff?".......while being full of valuable information, of course :thumbup:

Pete

 

[ARtraveler]

IMO--it all boils down to respect for everyone. I don't always agree with what everyone says, they don't always agree with me. That's what happens on a national forum.

I have used the term "respectfully disagree" a few times--when I felt a comeback was necessary. I have had initial opinions about a few that I thought were bad news, and have mostly ended up changing my mind for the good as time went on.

If I find something I totally disagree with--most of the time I let it go or just don't comment. The subject matter usually works itself out--peacefully.

Getting mad at another poster, or slinging mud to the point that a thread is cancelled either by the OP or the Administrator--is wrong--IMO. Many have said, if you don't like something that much, ignore it. That brings up another subject--I do not use the ignore button on anyone. Counter opinions are good--IMO.

There are a few that sometimes come on abrasive--IMO. We lost one of those yesterday--and I am sorry for that. I still appreciate that persons take on things--although I did not always agree. It makes for an interesting read. I can honestly say at this time that I consider all who post as friends. I don't have animosity against any. Going to try to keep it that way.

We have a "happy Monday morning" on the horizon. Let's see what it brings us. :yes:

 

[lou49]

IMO--it all boils down to respect for everyone. I don't always agree with what everyone says, they don't always agree with me. That's what happens on a national forum.

I have used the term "respectfully disagree" a few times--when I felt a comeback was necessary. I have had initial opinions about a few that I thought were bad news, and have mostly ended up changing my mind for the good as time went on.

If I find something I totally disagree with--most of the time I let it go or just don't comment. The subject matter usually works itself out--peacefully.

Getting mad at another poster, or slinging mud to the point that a thread is cancelled either by the OP or the Administrator--is wrong--IMO. Many have said, if you don't like something that much, ignore it. That brings up another subject--I do not use the ignore button on anyone. Counter opinions are good--IMO.

There are a few that sometimes come on abrasive--IMO. We lost one of those yesterday--and I am sorry for that. I still appreciate that persons take on things--although I did not always agree. It makes for an interesting read. I can honestly say at this time that I consider all who post as friends. I don't have any animosity against any. Going to try to keep it that way.

We have a "happy Monday morning" on the horizon. Let's see what it brings us. :yes:

:agree:

 

[lou49]

Is all about respect

This is a great forum to find very good information on solving some of the problems that we have with our machines, but it seems like some people use the forum to mock and try to humiliate others! we need to be careful how we respond to other people thread! just because it my be funny to some does not give us the right to respond with a joke! not everyone has the same sence of humor, and that should be respected! lets keep this forum informative, not derrogative! Joel was coming up with some good ideas, and farkles that we all could have benefited from them!
Recently a member of this forum thought to it was good to make fun of my typo error on one of my thread, and i was very offended by that! instead of getting into a war of words, i just move him to my ignore list. i personally dont mind been corrected, but if anyone needs to correct me, do it in a respectful way!
For those who contribute good information on this forum............ :clap::clap:THANK YOU!

 

[SPYD3R]

JOELTHEBIKER

I AGREE WITH 'JOELTHEBIKER'.....
i too left this website for some time... maybe 6 months or so... i got very tired of the PM's telling me how much of a FAT-HEAD i was for building my own FARKLES and posting them on SL... then i figured "skru'm"... i like this website, and i find the vast majority of players are STAND-UP PEOPLE... yes, from time-to-time, you'll have those that will disagree with each other, but for the most part, it's a personal preference: some like RT's and others like F3's... some like red, and some like green... some like FAST and some like slooooooooooooow..... nothing wrong with that...
but to those that have nothing better to do than purposely cut others down, all i can say is "you must have a very boring life"...
just my 2 cents....
Dan P
SPYD3R

 

[JimVonBaden]

I too am a member of several forums, and have been since 2003. Like all forums there are some who have a lot of knowledge worth listening to, some who just joke around and some who just have to be abrasive. They have all kinds of "reasons" for it, like I used to be in the military and that is my way, or they are trying to save us from bad advice, real or not real. The problem is not the sharing of information, it is the way some criticize and belittle if the information shared doesn't fit their ideas of right. Instead of politely pointing out how that could be a bad idea or dangerous, they all but call the poster an ignorant fool, with no idea of that person's skill set or background.

I didn't see what was said to Joe, though I did read his tire ideas with interest, but I can certainly imagine what and by who. I was on the same end as Joe only a couple weeks ago. There is a right way and a wrong way to give your opinion. Some pick the wrong way nearly every time, either out of ignorance for their tone, or on purpose.

That said, I'm not going anywhere. There are too many good people here, and only a few who irritate me. I hope Joe changes his mind.:thumbup:

 

[Peteoz]

Well Warlock, you and Bob Denman have cleared my mind on this .... so I'm no longer going to help anyone with any EXPERT advice. And if any of the members here go sliding off into a ditch I hope you have the decency to send them a get well card and tell them that yes, there was knowledge available that could have prevented this but YOU were responsible for it not being posted.

If you don't want to post any more, that's obviously YOUR call, Mike, but to blame Bob and Warlock for your decision to "take your bat and ball and go home" is unreasonable in the extreme.

I, for one, really appreciate your expert advice, and would be saddened to see you pull the pin on offering help simply because you took offence at some words that you didn't like. It happens to all of us and the best thing to do is laugh it off and move on. Here is one voice saying please keep offering expert advice......If I don't like it, I won't take it, and will let you know why...

Pete

 

[loisk]

Language comes across poorly on email, Sms and forums.
There is no body language context

I have found that reading a to-me troublesome post out loud, adding a chuckle or a shrug, softens it so the actual message can be found and taken on as part of advice received.

Advice is easy to give - it's harder to let the reader then decide whether or not to heed it, but that is what we must do. Here follows an invisible rant on the meaning of freedom.

this forum is international, and I have learned that humour varies considerably - what is one persons funny take on an issue is another's grievous insult.. I have no doubt that these cultural differences apply within the USA too.

As to the question about why the world is an angrier place - well, I am a Sociologist so don't start me on that! Insert chuckle.

This is is a favourite forum of mine because spyder answers and ideas can be found, and nobody resorts to foul language.

 

[Peteoz]

That said, I'm not going anywhere. There are too many good people here, and only a few who irritate me. I hope Joe changes his mind.:thumbup:

pssssst.....his name is Joel, Jim.......autocorrect doesn't like Joel for some reason, (Joel the name, not our Joel the person), and often changes it to Joe.......and that is how easy it is to get misinterpretations from posts.:thumbup:

Pete

 

[Bob Denman]

Pete,

That's all right: he can blame me for whatever he wants...
nojoke I was just offered a real helicopter, in a trade for my Spyder! nojoke
(This fella I met; owns a WWII museum...)
After deciding that owning a chopper could only result in my spectacular demise: I opted to not take him up on the generous offer.
But I am going to check out his museum!! :clap:

 

[Peteoz]

As to the question about why the world is an angrier place - well, I am a Sociologist so don't start me on that! Insert chuckle.

This is is a favourite forum of mine because spyder answers and ideas can be found, and nobody resorts to foul language.

Good advice Lois......except that we now know to get rid of you from the forum,
you &$-/?!$@' -@#%**£ Sociologist :roflblack::roflblack:

Pete

 

[Bob Denman]

Don't pick on the Sociologist: I got an easy "A" in a couple of those classes, while serving my collegiate sentence... :shocked:
"The World is only an angrier place; if you allow it to make you feel that way."

 

[armyspydervet]

I'll Just Say Thank You

With all the nonsense on the internet post election and the back and forth on here, I will just say thank you. We are moving into the season of Thanksgiving and Christmas and I suggest we all just relax. But for what it's worth, I appreciate this site. I will fully admit that I am not very competent when it comes to bikes. I owned a Harley for five years prior to owning my F3T. I was one of those guys who took my bike to the shop for everything since I am not mechanically inclined. I never rode my Harley for more than a few hours at a time. Since finding this site, I bought a Spyder (two actually but I traded my STS in for a F3), rode cross country to Spyderfest, met some great people, and have actually changed my own oil and installed my own lights all thanks to this site. Yes, some of you on here could be a little nicer to others, but in my line of work, my feelings aren't easily hurt - I'll just tell you where to stick it But not everyone is that way. This is a community for people who are interested in the same thing to come together. We won't always agree, but guess what, we live in the United States of America and you are allowed to have your own opinion. So with that being said, I'll leave my ranting with a Thank You Spyderlovers. You have made me a more knowledgeable Spyder owner and in the process I have met some great people. So lighten up everyone and hope to see you on the open rode next riding season.

 

[ARtraveler]

Don't pick on the Sociologist: I got an easy "A" in a couple of those classes, while serving my collegiate sentence... :shocked:
"The World is only an angrier place; if you allow it to make you feel that way."

Me too on the A's in Psych and Soc. I just answered the questions along the lines of the prof's lectures. Whether or not I agreed with the prof's take, it got me a good mark in the class. :yes:

 

[ZENspyderman]

Opps it blew up

Maybe it's time for a little bit of reflection on how we treat each other here on the forum. Joelthebiker picked up his marbles and went home. Deleted every one of his posts. So, were some of us a bit more harsh toward him than we ought to have been? Or did we just refuse to take him 100% at face value and it ticked him off? It's sad to see someone like him leave because it did look like he was going to be a valuable contributor. But some of us challenged him and some of his assertions. Were we unfair, or is he just too sensitive?

I spent 22 years with Uncle Sam doing quality system audits and contract provision enforcement of Federal contractors. Questioning people and their policies and practices was a big part of my job. I didn't care how high or how low in the corporate structure the person was, I was not afraid to question them. I learned two things from that experience. One, sometimes people would acknowledge there was a better way or answer, or that they were mistaken, or, if they successfully defended their position that reinforced the validity of their position. At the very least, I usually learned something new or different. The second thing I learned is that experts don't always have the answer, and sometimes they are just plain wrong. I used to have a sign that said, "QA, QA, QA. The Questioning Approach of Quality Assurance leads to the Quintessential Answer."

Questioning someone, if done in a civil fashion, is never wrong, IMO. We all can benefit from a healthy disagreeable discussion, if we are willing to have an open mind.

I try to live by the philosophy, "If a fence is going to be built between you and me, you are going to have to do the building." I'm afraid Joel built his own fence, and now does he not only not see what's on our side, but we can't see what's on his side. We're all losers.

I totally agree with the above statements. I my field if I make a mistake Iam dead and so are other people.

Iam a newbie here but I treat ALL with respect for life is so short.
Lets all come together with all our differences from one canuck reaching out.

 

[loisk]

Good advice Lois......except that we now know to get rid of you from the forum,
you &$-/?!$@' -@#%**£ Sociologist :roflblack::roflblack:

Pete

Hahaha not so easy mate! :joke:
Also majored in politics and history then p-grad ethics.
I am already confused enough?! ..:thumbup::roflblack: