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Discount Tire DOES NOT want your business

If you have REALLY followed this saga Discount tire was contacted by BRP telling them not to sell to us. Do some searches you will find it. Telling them what tires you are getting from them you are setting them up for another call from BRP. It is BRP that is trying to maximize their profits by limiting selections. Actually there IS a bead difference between a car tire and the rim on a Spyder. That was posted along with drawings of the differences between motorcycle rims and car rims. Basically a car tire has a slight chance of the bead not sealing correctly and coming off the rim. Do some searches on the Kuhmo and you will find the differences. All that said I have a Kuhmo wrapped up in my garage. I used them on my Vette never had any handling issues or hydroplaning. Of course any tire will hydroplane if it is in deep enough water.

I'm not interested in getting into a :cus: contest. There is an old thread titled "Kumho Tire Story". I'm not good at posting links, so perhaps someone else can do it for me. Post 39 dated 01-07-15 by BRPCare (Steve) specifically says BRP does not tell any independent dealer what they can and cannot sell. You may choose to believe or not believe. Just wanted to post that this has been discussed and responded to before.

Gary
 
MIS-QUOTING

Show us what the Spyder rim is then before you dismiss the info. You can use a pin gauge on a kenda tire vs a Kuhmo to get the tire profile. Gives us some info before you tell us we are wrong.:dontknow: I am betting the Spyder rim is a lot like GW rim prove me wrong.:thumbup:

:hun:.....I didn't " DISMISS " the info....and I never said " wrong ".........What I did question was the COMPARISION......You apparently don't know what the PROFILE of the Spyder RIM is, hence you said " betting a lot like the GW rim "...!!!!.......Because your Apples and Oranges comparison proves nothing..................... Back in 09 when I first put a car tire on my GS, there was a lot of controversy here on Spyderlovers about the " Nanny " and fitment issues etc......The guy ( a friend ) who mounted my car tire happened to also do quite a bit of tire work for the locals who raced Stock cars, and Drag cars and Bikes......I asked Him specifically about the Spyder " RIM " and the bead on a car tire and whether there would be an issue......He said " NONE " that He could see............................Mike :thumbup:
 
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He's moved this part of the debate over into another thread... :thumbup:
Mike,
Do you have access to any used Kenda tires that came off the rear of a Spyder? If the wheels are available for measurement; perhaps we can dig up some tires for comparison! :yes:
 
I'm not interested in getting into a :cus: contest. There is an old thread titled "Kumho Tire Story". I'm not good at posting links, so perhaps someone else can do it for me. Post 39 dated 01-07-15 by BRPCare (Steve) specifically says BRP does not tell any independent dealer what they can and cannot sell. You may choose to believe or not believe. Just wanted to post that this has been discussed and responded to before.

Gary

This is as close as I can get. Here's the link, just scroll to 39:


http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?76292-Kumho-tire-story/page2
 
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Originally Posted by SPYD3R has any1 ever contacted BRP to ask why....?
HEY, BRP, WHY ARE YOU ADVISING 'DISCOUNT TIRE' TO NOT SELL US THE KUMHO'S..?
there... i did it... let's see if we get an answer from them...
(This is Steve's answer...)
Hi everyone,

No - BRP doesn't advise or order independent retailers on what they can or can't sell. It's entirely possible that for liability or other reasons, a retailer might decide against the sale of a tire that was not designed / tested on the vehicle it will be installed on, but that is up to the retailer themselves.

That being said, we always recommend installing OEM tires on all Can-Am Spyder Roadsters as this has an impact on the dynamic behavior of the unit (notably, the Vehicle Stability System). "

Thanks, Wylie!! :clap: :2thumbs:
 
:hun:.....I didn't " DISMISS " the info....and I never said " wrong ".........What I did question was the COMPARISION......You apparently don't know what the PROFILE of the Spyder RIM is, hence you said " betting a lot like the GW rim "...!!!!.......Because your Apples and Oranges comparison proves nothing..................... Back in 09 when I first put a car tire on my GS, there was a lot of controversy here on Spyderlovers about the " Nanny " and fitment issues etc......The guy ( a friend ) who mounted my car tire happened to also do quite a bit of tire work for the locals who raced Stock cars, and Drag cars and Bikes......I asked Him specifically about the Spyder " RIM " and the bead on a car tire and whether there would be an issue......He said " NONE " that He could see............................Mike :thumbup:

Sorry Mike " your friend " does not qualify as an expert like the " Tire and Rim Association" The Spyder is not a drag car or stock car and he is not a BRP Spyder expert. The pictures I show that there may indeed be and issue. Just information for people who want to know what the experts say not shade tree mechanics. As my picture shows the Spyder rim IS NOTHING like a car rim. If someone takes your advice and gets killed how would you feel? I am just trying to clarify the differences and reasons why a car tire may not be the best solution. As I said I have a Kuhmo waiting and am glad I know the risks.
 
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:agree: It might be okay to do what a lot of us do... (Or not!)...

But it's probably better to be doing it with BOTH eyes open! :2thumbs:

(And I DID notice your reference to the Kumho... :clap: Very fair reporting on your part!)
 
Very good information. Can't wait until its time to buy tires again next year. :yes::yes::yes::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
 
"BRP will always recommend installing OEM tires on all Can-Am Spyder Roadsters as this has an impact on the dynamic behavior of the unit (notably, the Vehicle Stability System). "

Here's the deal. When Bosch does the VSS calibrations on their test tracks in Germany they have to do so using a baseline set of tires and air pressures. The VSS is calibrated to these specifications. They do not waste time doing alternate calibrations on other tires, yes they could, but they do not.

This is not to say that other tires are going to automatically "screw up" the VSS. But it should be safe to assume that tires with vastly different traction and sidewall flex characteristics are going to force the VSS to act differently that it would with the OE selections. To what degree we do not know. From personal experience of so many miles with so many different tires and encounters with the VSS, I am personally satisfied with how it has performed with my choice of tires, but I am very selective on what I use.

Example, a Spyder with firmer tires at higher air pressures and/or a stiffer sway bar. Instead of allowing body roll (like it would with 2-ply tires and a soft sway bar), there will be more of a tendency for the vehicle to corner flatter, to a point, and then lift more abruptly. The VSS is still going to sense this lift and catch it, but realize the VSS algorithms are optimized for the baseline specifications. Does not render the VSS useless, but BRP and Bosch can not test every possible tire out there. Their obligation is to make sure it works as delivered.

Yet another consideration to front end lift would be the rear tire. Yes, the rear tire. If it allows a slight amount of side slip it will help to keep the front end down. If the rear tire is totally glued, the vehicle will lift the inside front tire more easily. Just like a snowmobile, three-point vehicle dynamics. This can be affected by ride height, rear spring preload, tire tread, air pressure, road surface, just something else to consider.
 
...and if the tire is totally glued the minimal sealed bead surface of a car tire could fail in a sharp cornering scenario?:dontknow:
 
I Have

a Kumho on the rear of my 2012 RTS and have been very happy with it. I put it on at about 6800 miles and now have over 18,000 and it looks as if it might last another 18,000. When I bought it I had the same problems with Discount Tire at 2 different stores, so I went on EBay and bought it, as it turns out I was buying from Discount Tire Direct. The local stores would not sell to me without the fitment info which I was not prepared for at the time. As far as the rim profile if it didn't fit I would maybe expect some air loss over time, but as far as I can tell there has been absolutly no air loss in time it has been on the bike. I AM IN NO WAY AN EXPERT ( done for imphasis only) I do believe in informed actions though and did do some research before installing this tire. I know longer deal with any of the local Discount Tire stores.
 
When I went to Allen Tire to have them put on my Yokohama I specifically asked the guy if the bead on the rim was motorcycle or car and if there would be a problem.

He said the rim was like a car with "custom rims" and that the bead was a car bead. He said no issue at all with that tire on the rim. And he said he is very aware of the difference between a car rim and a motorcycle and the he would never put a car tire on a motorcycle rim due to liability. And you know California and liability!.

Bob
 
VERY INTERESTING READING

"BRP will always recommend installing OEM tires on all Can-Am Spyder Roadsters as this has an impact on the dynamic behavior of the unit (notably, the Vehicle Stability System). "

Here's the deal. When Bosch does the VSS calibrations on their test tracks in Germany they have to do so using a baseline set of tires and air pressures. The VSS is calibrated to these specifications. They do not waste time doing alternate calibrations on other tires, yes they could, but they do not.

This is not to say that other tires are going to automatically "screw up" the VSS. But it should be safe to assume that tires with vastly different traction and sidewall flex characteristics are going to force the VSS to act differently that it would with the OE selections. To what degree we do not know. From personal experience of so many miles with so many different tires and encounters with the VSS, I am personally satisfied with how it has performed with my choice of tires, but I am very selective on what I use.

Example, a Spyder with firmer tires at higher air pressures and/or a stiffer sway bar. Instead of allowing body roll (like it would with 2-ply tires and a soft sway bar), there will be more of a tendency for the vehicle to corner flatter, to a point, and then lift more abruptly. The VSS is still going to sense this lift and catch it, but realize the VSS algorithms are optimized for the baseline specifications. Does not render the VSS useless, but BRP and Bosch can not test every possible tire out there. Their obligation is to make sure it works as delivered.

Yet another consideration to front end lift would be the rear tire. Yes, the rear tire. If it allows a slight amount of side slip it will help to keep the front end down. If the rear tire is totally glued, the vehicle will lift the inside front tire more easily. Just like a snowmobile, three-point vehicle dynamics. This can be affected by ride height, rear spring preload, tire tread, air pressure, road surface, just something else to consider.
...Thank you, I read it 5 times and surmise that everyone should leave their Spyder OEM STOCK ..........Question ?? is yours ?????.................Mike :thumbup:
 
JUST FOR INFO PURPOSES

When I went to Allen Tire to have them put on my Yokohama I specifically asked the guy if the bead on the rim was motorcycle or car and if there would be a problem.

He said the rim was like a car with "custom rims" and that the bead was a car bead. He said no issue at all with that tire on the rim. And he said he is very aware of the difference between a car rim and a motorcycle and the he would never put a car tire on a motorcycle rim due to liability. And you know California and liability!.

Bob

Bob this is pretty much what I found out as stated in my earlier post from another NON_EXPERT :roflblack:.....My actual experience has been with 9 car tires on 9 spyder rims with over 150,000 miles and no problems, but I'm also not an expert and I have NO DRAWINGS ( even if they don't relate anyway ) to back me up. But I intend to keep on using the better car tires on every Spyder I'll ever own......................Mike :thumbup:
 
...Thank you, I read it 5 times and surmise that everyone should leave their Spyder OEM STOCK ..........Question ?? is yours ?????.................Mike :thumbup:

Absolutely not. Not an OEM tire anywhere, front or rear, different shocks, Ron's sway bar. It works very well, far better than stock IMO. An owner of an otherwise identical unit would likely complain that it rides stiff, but I want the damn thing to rail corners and not wander in the lane. Do I worry about the VSS? Not in the slightest, I have found its limits before and after and am confident it is working as intended. At least until somebody provides data to the contrary.
 
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Absolutely not. Not an OEM tire anywhere, front or rear, different shocks, Ron's sway bar. It works very well, far better than stock IMO. An owner of an otherwise identical unit would likely complain that it rides stiff, but I want the damn thing to rail corners and not wander in the lane. Do I worry about the VSS? Not in the slightest, I have found its limits before and after and am confident it is working as intended. At least until somebody provides data to the contrary.
S.M.- I agree with what you said ( above ) 110 % and I have done the same to all my Spyders........But I am now totally confused as to what you were trying to convey in your post # 70 ????? ( sorry I can't put that up here My talents don't go in tis area ) :roflblack:
 
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