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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderryder53 View Post
    yes I did get the D.E.S.S. again after the closing at the 6 flags. it took about 20 minutes to get it started and when it did I put it right in the trailer. I trailered it because I didn`t want to get stranded on the way there or back.
    My dealer said the have to check it out and try to duplicate it before they can put in a claim and they never heard of the problem so I`m kinda weary about that. they can`t take it in till oct.1 so I think I`ll look around in the mean time................ I was wondering if the D.E.S.S. warning came up on the screen will that show up on BUDS?
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    I was in law enforcement, and had the opportunity to talk to Forensic computer specialists …. these are the people who go into the computers memory banks and retrieve what is believed to have been Intentionally deleted / erased...… according to them - nothing that registers on the memory board dis-appears …. so if the dealer says the code etc. is not there, they are wrong …. it's there but they can't find it or don't want to …. it's that simple ….. good luck ….. Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911 View Post
    I was in law enforcement, and had the opportunity to talk to Forensic computer specialists …. these are the people who go into the computers memory banks and retrieve what is believed to have been Intentionally deleted / erased...… according to them - nothing that registers on the memory board dis-appears …. so if the dealer says the code etc. is not there, they are wrong …. it's there but they can't find it or don't want to …. it's that simple ….. good luck ….. Mike

    When I had DESS disabled we looked through the rest of BUDS. My bike had 0 codes stored. So if there is a record of a DESS failure, it's not stored where BUDS can see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trbayth View Post
    When I had DESS disabled we looked through the rest of BUDS. My bike had 0 codes stored. So if there is a record of a DESS failure, it's not stored where BUDS can see it.
    …. This is from actual experience ….. my 2011 RSS had shifting issues for almost 2 yrs. - shifted fine but would sometimes flash a CODE warning …. Dealer claimed nothing showed on BUDS ... couldn't find Anything …… I was at SpyderFest in May of 2014 … I had a BRP Tech " Danny " see if He could find out Why this was occurring …. Well He found 240+ codes in the computer memory bank … He didn't have the parts necessary to fix the issue, but told me to have that Dealer's tech contact Him Personally …. I did and the part was provided under expired warranty...… you can draw your own conclusions from this ….. I have ….. good luck …. Mike

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    In BUDS, on the Faults tab, the default display only shows active codes. You can tell it to show all stored codes.
    Yes, the DESS codes show up there too. If the error came on screen, the code was stored. If your dealer says otherwise, they need to get with BRP on how to use BUDS. Training is available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcthorne View Post
    In BUDS, on the Faults tab, the default display only shows active codes. You can tell it to show all stored codes.
    Yes, the DESS codes show up there too. If the error came on screen, the code was stored. If your dealer says otherwise, they need to get with BRP on how to use BUDS. Training is available.
    And this is Gospel …………….. Thanks JC - I hope this puts the " well we can't find it, so it's not occurring theory " to bed ……………. Mike

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    Does the DESS warning appear if the battery is about to tank? Or if it's appearing now it has nothing to do with the battery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcthorne View Post
    In BUDS, on the Faults tab, the default display only shows active codes. You can tell it to show all stored codes.
    Yes, the DESS codes show up there too. If the error came on screen, the code was stored. If your dealer says otherwise, they need to get with BRP on how to use BUDS. Training is available.
    Yep. jcthorne found my past DESS issues and the code where my turn signals went into hyper flash when I switched to LED. Codes are there, just have to know what rock to turn over to find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pictreed View Post
    Does the DESS warning appear if the battery is about to tank? Or if it's appearing now it has nothing to do with the battery?
    No definitive answer. If the battery is going bad, all sorts of electrical gremlins sneak out of hiding. Replace the battery first then diagnose anything else.

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    I had my DESS disabled on my 2014 RT. My local dealer had parts ordered to replace the module and antenna. Almost 3 weeks and no parts yet.
    I missed too much riding..loaded bike up went to Nixa,Mo. Everything I wanted done was completed in 3 hours and to perfection. They had to clean up some of the wiring that was added for some extra lights I had my dealer install.
    The trip was worth every gallon of gas. Great service !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerTN View Post
    I had my DESS disabled on my 2014 RT. My local dealer had parts ordered to replace the module and antenna. Almost 3 weeks and no parts yet.
    I missed too much riding..loaded bike up went to Nixa,Mo. Everything I wanted done was completed in 3 hours and to perfection. They had to clean up some of the wiring that was added for some extra lights I had my dealer install.
    The trip was worth every gallon of gas. Great service !!!

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    wow, i ordered the parts on line and had them in 4 days
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    I have lost confidence in Mountain Motor Sports. I intend on talking to general manager.At least he will be aware of this issue

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    Thumbs down New to me DESS fail

    So the DESS has failed on my 2014 RTs SE6. I've ordered the latest DESS module but NOT the antenna. So Mike and Deanne----- is the the module itself or both the module and the antenna????

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    I attached the DESS Bulletin.


    DESS 1.pdf

    Refer to TST ROADSTER 2nd Generation D.E.S.S. Principal Of Operation (2014 and Up) to fully understand the principle of operation of the latest D.E.S.S. generation. With first D.E.S.S. module production,when the D.E.S.S. module was sending his signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna was too strong and the key chip was saturated. This saturation changed the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad reading of the key chip. A ferrite has been added in new 710004916 module to reduce RFI/EMI signals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew L View Post
    So the DESS has failed on my 2014 RTs SE6. I've ordered the latest DESS module but NOT the antenna. So Mike and Deanne----- is the the module itself or both the module and the antenna????

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    On the vast majority of 2014 experiencing this DESS issue, BOTH needed to be replaced even when using the UPDATED DESS module.
    Replacing the DESS alone did work for some, but not for most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew L View Post
    So the DESS has failed on my 2014 RTs SE6. I've ordered the latest DESS module but NOT the antenna. So Mike and Deanne----- is the the module itself or both the module and the antenna????

    Lew L
    HI Lew,

    Originally on July 14th 2015 the dealership replaced the D.E.S.S module,( resolution Replaced Dess module. TST 2014-015).Part # 710004190.

    2nd Time the D.E.S.S module/and the Switch was replaced on : Aug. 28th, 2015 ( Replaced switch and dess module) part # 71004190/ switch # 710004413.

    **** Problem: Intermittently the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start. The D.E.S.S ERROR message will be displayed in the cluster.
    Solution : Replace the D.E.S.S moudle. Program the keys using the B.U.D.S . Referring to the 2014 RT Shop manual section Digitally Encoded Security System D.E.S.S.

    Technical Explanation: When the D.E.S.S module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key is saturated . This saturation changed the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad lecture of the key chip.

    TST Detail:

    Refer to TST Roadster 2nd Generation D.E.S.S of Operation ( 2014 and UP) to fully understand the principle of operation of the latest D.E.S.S generation.******

    I also have posted this info in my thread" KEY CODE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on 8/2015 it is a very long thread 35 pages long. All of the info is on that thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanna777 View Post
    HI Lew,

    Originally on July 14th 2015 the dealership replaced the D.E.S.S module,( resolution Replaced Dess module. TST 2014-015).Part # 710004190.

    2nd Time the D.E.S.S module/and the Switch was replaced on : Aug. 28th, 2015 ( Replaced switch and dess module) part # 71004190/ switch # 710004413.

    **** Problem: Intermittently the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start. The D.E.S.S ERROR message will be displayed in the cluster.
    Solution : Replace the D.E.S.S moudle. Program the keys using the B.U.D.S . Referring to the 2014 RT Shop manual section Digitally Encoded Security System D.E.S.S.

    Technical Explanation: When the D.E.S.S module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key is saturated . This saturation changed the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad lecture of the key chip.

    TST Detail:

    Refer to TST Roadster 2nd Generation D.E.S.S of Operation ( 2014 and UP) to fully understand the principle of operation of the latest D.E.S.S generation.******

    I also have posted this info in my thread" KEY CODE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on 8/2015 it is a very long thread 35 pages long. All of the info is on that thread.

    Deanna
    Thanks Deanne, I've read your threads and others. I'll be replacing ( and moving) the module soon.

    Do you think that a shield of some kind on the key would help?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew L View Post
    Thanks Deanne, I've read your threads and others. I'll be replacing ( and moving) the module soon.

    Do you think that a shield of some kind on the key would help?????

    Lew L
    HI Lew,

    I don't think a shield would help on the key.

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    NO MORE D.E.S.S. FAILURE FOR ME!!!!!!
    had my dess module disabled now i can use a $2 key if i want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderryder53 View Post
    NO MORE D.E.S.S. FAILURE FOR ME!!!!!!
    had my dess module disabled now i can use a $2 key if i want to.
    And so can the nearest thief! Are you going to use other security?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkRosePetal View Post
    And so can the nearest thief! Are you going to use other security?
    Still requires key to unlock ignition. DESS does nothing to prevent theft of the bike that the mechanical key does not and it is easily bypassed with software by a thief once the bike is stolen. Do not even need a key do bypass it. Most bikes are stolen with a wrecker, not driven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcthorne View Post
    ..... and it is easily bypassed with software by a thief once the bike is stolen. Do not even need a key do bypass it. Most bikes are stolen with a wrecker, not driven.
    There is all that! ^^ but I think the greater risk of theft comes from leaving your 'not working cos the bloody DESS won't let it Spyder on the side of the road or in a carpark far from home while you're off trying to arrange the tow you KNOW it's gonna need now cos it's the bleedin' 37th time this freaking crappy piece of DESS electronics has stopped you from starting your Spyder YET AGAIN' in some less than ideal place because you can't start it is faaaar more likely than anything else!

    If it starts reliably then it's gonna spend more time being ridden, but with the DESS actively failing as often as they do, your Spyder is WAAAAYYY more likely to end up needing to be left somewhere you'd prefer not to cos it's far more likely to get flogged from there than it is when you are ryding it! Not a
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    if they aren't already a spyder rider they are never going to figure out the wait and push mode button thing anyway to start it
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    We have a BIG motorcycle rodeo in our small town over Labor Day weekend. Every year a few high dollar bikes are stolen. Bikes with alarms, bikes chained to posts, bikes parked in busy lots. That stuff stops the joy riders, but if a knowledgeable thief wants your ride he will get it. Pay your insurance, ride more worry less. The only thing DESS is good for is starting a conversation.
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    In the UK we can't get insurance cover if the dess is disabled. Even if the dess is functioning but the bike is left without the keylock turned to lock the bars theft cover is invalid. It may be different for you folks but I'd be checking it out to be sure
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