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02-02-2020, 03:04 AM
#126
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02-02-2020, 06:39 AM
#127
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02-02-2020, 01:09 PM
#128
but mine is do to knee surgery recovery. cueman
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02-02-2020, 03:37 PM
#129
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Originally Posted by cueman
but mine is do to knee surgery recovery. cueman
Oh no, just went threw that last summer, about to get the other one done in April!!!! Good Luck, heal quick summers coming!!
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02-02-2020, 07:20 PM
#130
Thank you my friend, this is my third knee surgery and I’ve still only got two knees! cueman
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02-02-2020, 09:19 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
So I simply ask - how can HD LEGALLY sell their TRIKES which are sold as Motorcycles with factory mounted CAR TIRES on them ????? ....Mike [/SIZE]
I see nothing in the Federal regs that states a manufacturer cannot use a car wheel on a motorcycle if the motorcycle maker deems it to be suitable. So if it does, then any tire that a tire maker says can be mounted on that specific rim can be used on the motorcycle. I have no easy way to verify it, but I'm sure even though HD wheels are designed specifically for HD trikes, i.e., the bolt hole pattern and offset are not the same as most car wheels, the tire mounting cross section profile is identical to a standard Tire & Rim Association profile for car tires. So when Dunlop, Goodyear, or whoever says a P205/R15 is designed and approved to fit on XX rim profile, and the HD wheel matches the XX rim profile, there is nothing to keep HD from mounting that car tire on their rim.
In short, since HD wheel has XX profile, and ZZ tire is approved by its maker to fit on XX profile rim, HD can mount ZZ tire on its XX profile wheel.
Now, why didn't BRP choose to use car tires on the Spyder when it was developed? Good question for which we'll never get an answer. But I'm going to speculate that when Bosch was developing the VSS software, or Nanny, the engineers determined that the tires needed to have some certain handling characteristics that most car tires did not provide so they said the Spyder needs a tire with special characteristics. BRP probably then decided to use a wheel size that was not being used for cars to ensure that only tires meeting the Bosch requirements would be used on the Spyders. Again, this is my speculation. We can be sure BRP will never tell us the real story. Keep in mind that what Bosch knew about how the Spyder would handle is quite a bit different than what they understand today. Otherwise we wouldn't see the relaxation in Nanny controls that now exist. If Bosch and BRP knew back in 2005 what they know now, quite possibly they would choose to go with standard car tires.
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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02-02-2020, 10:18 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
I see nothing in the Federal regs that states a manufacturer cannot use a car wheel on a motorcycle if the motorcycle maker deems it to be suitable. So if it does, then any tire that a tire maker says can be mounted on that specific rim can be used on the motorcycle. I have no easy way to verify it, but I'm sure even though HD wheels are designed specifically for HD trikes, i.e., the bolt hole pattern and offset are not the same as most car wheels, the tire mounting cross section profile is identical to a standard Tire & Rim Association profile for car tires. So when Dunlop, Goodyear, or whoever says a P205/R15 is designed and approved to fit on XX rim profile, and the HD wheel matches the XX rim profile, there is nothing to keep HD from mounting that car tire on their rim.
In short, since HD wheel has XX profile, and ZZ tire is approved by its maker to fit on XX profile rim, HD can mount ZZ tire on its XX profile wheel.
Now, why didn't BRP choose to use car tires on the Spyder when it was developed? Good question for which we'll never get an answer. But I'm going to speculate that when Bosch was developing the VSS software, or Nanny, the engineers determined that the tires needed to have some certain handling characteristics that most car tires did not provide so they said the Spyder needs a tire with special characteristics. BRP probably then decided to use a wheel size that was not being used for cars to ensure that only tires meeting the Bosch requirements would be used on the Spyders. Again, this is my speculation. We can be sure BRP will never tell us the real story. Keep in mind that what Bosch knew about how the Spyder would handle is quite a bit different than what they understand today. Otherwise we wouldn't see the relaxation in Nanny controls that now exist. If Bosch and BRP knew back in 2005 what they know now, quite possibly they would choose to go with standard car tires.
Thank you, thank you …. as far as your paragraph #3 goes … The Kenda tires have had four iterations since original design, imho there is no way all four could have been covered by the orig. Bosche VSS & traction control system ….. so the tires do not enter into the equation … not the physical composition, not the number of plies nor the tread pattern of the tires really matters.... Our cars and trks can pretty much use whatever you put on the Rim / Wheel …. and the same goes for the Spyder. …. I also agree there is quite a lot we will never be privy to from BRP. … The only difference between the HD wheels and Spyders is the hub / bolt pattern and back-space. They are both " J " type rims & MUST have tires with " J " type wheels..... BRP can ( & will ) spin this to suit themselves but the Truth matters...… thank you for the pleasant conversation ….. Mike
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02-03-2020, 08:02 AM
#133
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Originally Posted by TicketBait
Went to dealership today and took a couple pics of the new Kenda tires a 2020 RT
Sorry, those are the "original" Kendas, not the new Canines.
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02-03-2020, 01:17 PM
#134
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I'll add to the page count. 165/60R15 Vredestein fronts mounted/balanced. 18 PSI sound right ?
** Found a thread. Gonna start at 17# **
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02-03-2020, 02:53 PM
#135
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I've the 165/60R15 Vredestein fronts mounted/balanced. Couldn't be happier even though I've only put about 75 miles on them. Also went up to 18 psi.
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02-03-2020, 05:15 PM
#136
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On the subject of tires and wheels......
I removed a front wheel for the first time and attempting to put it back on was a nightmare. Good thing my 10 yo great grandson was helping me and I had him spot the studs and holes alignment for me. This took a lot of muscle work and time, so I want to know, what's the trick to mounting the wheel?
Ours is a red, black and chrome 2017 F3 Limited. Bought new in 2/2019. The avatar is my first bike back in 1952, a Simplex Servi-Cycle. Photo taken at the Barber Museum.
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02-03-2020, 05:30 PM
#137
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Originally Posted by RICZ
On the subject of tires and wheels......
I removed a front wheel for the first time and attempting to put it back on was a nightmare. Good thing my 10 yo great grandson was helping me and I had him spot the studs and holes alignment for me. This took a lot of muscle work and time, so I want to know, what's the trick to mounting the wheel?
Just like an old VW Bug with the large bolt pattern. You sit on the floor, make a Y with your feet (heels on the floor, toes pointed out), put the tire on your toes and adjust as needed until the holes line up. I did this many times with my Bug and it works with the spider too if it's up high enough. It's always handy to have another pair of hands and eyes to help out also.
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02-03-2020, 08:04 PM
#138
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Originally Posted by SteveLaoyster
Just like an old VW Bug with the large bolt pattern. You sit on the floor, make a Y with your feet (heels on the floor, toes pointed out), put the tire on your toes and adjust as needed until the holes line up. I did this many times with my Bug and it works with the spider too if it's up high enough. It's always handy to have another pair of hands and eyes to help out also.
Thanks Steve, I'll give that a try.
BTW, I removed the wheel to access the bleeder valve. Is there a way to get to that valve without taking the wheel off?
Ours is a red, black and chrome 2017 F3 Limited. Bought new in 2/2019. The avatar is my first bike back in 1952, a Simplex Servi-Cycle. Photo taken at the Barber Museum.
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02-03-2020, 08:54 PM
#139
Is it just me or do others think the recent posts are way off topic?
2014 RTL Platinum
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02-03-2020, 08:57 PM
#140
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Originally Posted by UtahPete
Is it just me or do others think the recent posts are way off topic?
Sorry to crash this party, I thought I'd catch the eyes of the guys here while on a tire and wheel subject.
Ours is a red, black and chrome 2017 F3 Limited. Bought new in 2/2019. The avatar is my first bike back in 1952, a Simplex Servi-Cycle. Photo taken at the Barber Museum.
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02-03-2020, 09:04 PM
#141
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Originally Posted by UtahPete
Is it just me or do others think the recent posts are way off topic?
Hey, anything to make a new record page count and it's all good.
To remove a wheel with a new Kenda Kanine tire mounted on it, all you need is a BRP Tool # 593840DDX444920187WTF(*XX#!!!. You also will need a small ferret (preferably a grey/white one), a stick of dynamite, and a box of pitted dates (any brand). I'll leave the details for later.
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02-03-2020, 09:10 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by HankD
Hey, anything to make a new record page count and it's all good.
To remove a wheel with a new Kenda Kanine tire mounted on it, all you need is a BRP Tool # 593840DDX444920187WTF(*XX#!!!. You also will need a small ferret (preferably a grey/white one), a stick of dynamite, and a box of pitted dates (any brand). I'll leave the details for later.
Thanks for that great advice. Should the ferret be male or female or does it not matter?
Ours is a red, black and chrome 2017 F3 Limited. Bought new in 2/2019. The avatar is my first bike back in 1952, a Simplex Servi-Cycle. Photo taken at the Barber Museum.
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02-04-2020, 12:34 AM
#143
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02-04-2020, 09:56 AM
#144
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Originally Posted by SteveLaoyster
Just like an old VW Bug with the large bolt pattern. You sit on the floor, make a Y with your feet (heels on the floor, toes pointed out), put the tire on your toes and adjust as needed until the holes line up. I did this many times with my Bug and it works with the spider too if it's up high enough. It's always handy to have another pair of hands and eyes to help out also.
. Added note- Don't raise the bike too high to use your feet to assist with the wheel lift, especially if using Kenda Canine tires. As an aside, if you ever put any lubricant on the wheel studs (or any bolt for that matter) you must reduce the torque by the proper amount based on the lubricant used. So coupling Vredestein tires with Amsoil lubricant on the threads you may have to use negative torque to get the appropriate clamping force!
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02-04-2020, 01:22 PM
#145
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02-04-2020, 02:14 PM
#146
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02-05-2020, 04:03 PM
#147
Thinking of giving these a try. Will give Kenda one more try.
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02-05-2020, 07:03 PM
#148
Since I took a snow day on Thursday. I am going to tackle installing the new Kanine on my rear wheel. Will be removing the Arachnoid tire.
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02-06-2020, 02:02 PM
#149
OK. Got my snow day Kanine Tire mounted today. Now have to remove wheel from bike yet and reinstall.
Took a few pictures.
Kanine Tire
Kanine Tire.jpg
Kanine Tire 1.jpg
Kanine Tire 2.jpg
Old Vee Rubber Tire
Old Tire Vee Rubber.jpg
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02-06-2020, 02:47 PM
#150
Originally Posted by trikermutha
OK. Got my snow day Kanine Tire mounted today. Now have to remove wheel from bike yet and reinstall.
Took a few pictures.
Old Vee Rubber Tire
Old Tire Vee Rubber.jpg
How did you mount the tire without first removing the wheel?
2014 RTL Platinum
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