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Guess RS crowd doesn't rate
I am very, very, very unimpressed with the new line up. Putting a larger displacement, higher HP, higher torque motor in an RT is like putting a 392 Hemi in a conversion van. It seems to me that the motor and 6 speed transmission are wasted on a vehicle that needs an immediate shock and sway bar upgrade to handle the corners. It does not make sense to me that the "sport" model of this machine is going to have the smaller and more anemic motor. I am guessing that BRP is looking to end production on the RS models, and this is a good way to do it. The RS is the model that started it all. Even though it is over-priced it is still selling, but apparently the profit margin is not good enough to upgrade the model. It is just one more model year that I have been disgusted with. On one hand,it would make me sick to have to switch to another brand such as polaris. On the other, if I am gonna have a bloated $30,000 machine shoved down my throat, I will have to look elsewhere for what I want.
I love my RS-S and will never give it up, but I am starting to take offense at the lack of effort on BRP's part.
Just sayin'...........
Three in the garage, and I think I can fit at least one more in.....and then we will have to build another garage.
The roads in NY are so bad that I am glad we bought a Ryker Rally
Just sayin'............
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Originally Posted by otter28169
I am very, very, very unimpressed with the new line up. Putting a larger displacement, higher HP, higher torque motor in an RT is like putting a 392 Hemi in a conversion van. It seems to me that the motor and 6 speed transmission are wasted on a vehicle that needs an immediate shock and sway bar upgrade to handle the corners. It does not make sense to me that the "sport" model of this machine is going to have the smaller and more anemic motor. I am guessing that BRP is looking to end production on the RS models, and this is a good way to do it. The RS is the model that started it all. Even though it is over-priced it is still selling, but apparently the profit margin is not good enough to upgrade the model. It is just one more model year that I have been disgusted with. On one hand,it would make me sick to have to switch to another brand such as polaris. On the other, if I am gonna have a bloated $30,000 machine shoved down my throat, I will have to look elsewhere for what I want.
I love my RS-S and will never give it up, but I am starting to take offense at the lack of effort on BRP's part.
Just sayin'...........
I feel you.... Can't believe no upgrade.
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It may just be that the engine upgrade goes where the most money is currently spent. For the time being.
That's OK by me....if the at some point in the future the RS(S) is fitted with the triple and after all of the likely
teething problems have been ironed out.
Possibly Can-Am are using the current production year to get rid of their V-Twin engine stock
and as the RS has had no real heat problems they'll use what 998s they have on the lighter sports machine.
But I hear where you're coming from and I also would like to see that triple in an RS-S of the future.
Bring it on!! Hey!! You're a young guy anyway...I'm an old fart looking at his last years of motorcycling!!
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Originally Posted by OJ UK
It may just be that the engine upgrade goes where the most money is currently spent. For the time being.
That's OK by me....if the at some point in the future the RS(S) is fitted with the triple and after all of the likely
teething problems have been ironed out.
Possibly Can-Am are using the current production year to get rid of their V-Twin engine stock
and as the RS has had no real heat problems they'll use what 998s they have on the lighter sports machine.
But I hear where you're coming from and I also would like to see that triple in an RS-S of the future.
Bring it on!! Hey!! You're a young guy anyway...I'm an old fart looking at his last years of motorcycling!!
I don't know how old you are bro, but this old fart here is 62!
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Typically sport bikes run at higher rpms and cruisers run lower rpms. I know that riding with Lamont and Ron on the way to SpyderFest they would leave my RT in the dust. Lamont in his ST pulling a trailer still had more power then my RT. is a bigger engine really needed in an RS or ST?
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Originally Posted by Wiredux
Typically sport bikes run at higher rpms and cruisers run lower rpms. I know that riding with Lamont and Ron on the way to SpyderFest they would leave my RT in the dust. Lamont in his ST pulling a trailer still had more power then my RT. is a bigger engine really needed in an RS or ST?
needed -- no! wanted - yes!!!
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Originally Posted by Wiredux
Typically sport bikes run at higher rpms and cruisers run lower rpms. I know that riding with Lamont and Ron on the way to SpyderFest they would leave my RT in the dust. Lamont in his ST pulling a trailer still had more power then my RT. is a bigger engine really needed in an RS or ST?
In a word............YES.
Three in the garage, and I think I can fit at least one more in.....and then we will have to build another garage.
The roads in NY are so bad that I am glad we bought a Ryker Rally
Just sayin'............
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The RS-S DOES get some tweaking to the VSS system...
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Quote Spyderman60:I don't know how old you are bro, but this old fart here is 62!
LOL!! That comment was directed at otter28169!
62 huh? I only got three years on you, mate at 65.....
but hey, who's counting!! Keeping my knees in the breeze!
(Well, trying anyhow!!)
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Nothing here that would make me spring for a new model. Last year the RS HP was reduced by 8.
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Originally Posted by Wiredux
Typically sport bikes run at higher rpms and cruisers run lower rpms. I know that riding with Lamont and Ron on the way to SpyderFest they would leave my RT in the dust. Lamont in his ST pulling a trailer still had more power then my RT. is a bigger engine really needed in an RS or ST?
For sure it was needed in the RT. The RS is the sport version of the Spyder, most sportbikes are 600cc with some 1000cc and a few 1300cc. The RS already has the upper end size wise. There are no true touring bikes that are 998cc. Even 1300cc is on the small size.
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Besides; the original bodywork was probably not designed with a lot of extra space around the twin...
They may not have been able to shoehorn the triple in there!
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I do understand where your coming from, Here is the other point of view from a touring perspective. Out of the box the RT is carring a couple of hundred more pounds than the RS. This alone justifies some more power. Add to this the fact that many of us are always riding 2 up loaded to the gills as well as pulling the Trailer, that empty, weights in at 250 lbs. Load it with another 100 to 150 lbs and the numbers simply overwhelm the 998 motor. We learn to adjust our riding to compensate for the lack of power and torque. We also must plan ahead when it comes to slowing down. (the better brakes on the '13 s has helped this). If you have an SM5 (as I do) it really can be a bear to pull out on an uphill incline with this type of load. A lot of clutch and a lot of throttle. I do agree that the 1300 engine should be available across the board for the spyder line as it is going to be a great improvement for the brand. I would say that within a couple of years it will be available in the RS. I think The spyder line needs to continue to offer the sport, sport touring and touring lines. There is a market for all three. You never know, maybe they will retain the 998 as a base offering in the RS and the 1300 for the top of the line in the RS S. That gets my vote.
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Originally Posted by Lamonster
For sure it was needed in the RT. The RS is the sport version of the Spyder, most sportbikes are 600cc with some 1000cc and a few 1300cc. The RS already has the upper end size wise. There are no true touring bikes that are 998cc. Even 1300cc is on the small size.
The spyder is not like other bikes. And my 2005 Mach Z had much more power out of it's 1000cc SDI motor. No reason we can't tune it up a little and turn the motorcycle world on it's ear again.
Three in the garage, and I think I can fit at least one more in.....and then we will have to build another garage.
The roads in NY are so bad that I am glad we bought a Ryker Rally
Just sayin'............
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Originally Posted by BajaRon
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By the way, it wouldn't be my first triple. A simpler time to be sure.
Oooooh....very nice! Is that a Mach 1 500cc or an H2 750cc? I had a brief sojourn with a Mach 1 waaaaaay back
when its owner was in the Royal Navy and he'd broken the one into three throttle cable so I made up a new one and had the use of the bike for
around eight weeks one summer before Kawasaki had a real importer in the UK and spares were very difficult to get.
It didn't go round corners but by golly did it go in a straight line.....mainly on the rear wheel I seem to remember!!
I've got a mate who has a mint H2 and aside from the horrendous fuel costs it's gorgeous.
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Otter & some others. Sorry to hear that you are not excited with the offerings for the RS.
As most know, I started with the GS and then an RS before moving on to the RT.
After driving the RT's since 2010, most also know that I rented an RS while on my most recent vacation. The difference in power on the RS was very noticable to me in comparison to what I am now used to. With the standard 998 cc I do not have any complaint about less power or performance on the RS in comparison to the RT. The RS seemed like a rocket in comparison to my current RT's. We were also riding two up.
I have been complaining since day one (2010) that I thought the RT was somewhat underpowered in comparison to my previous GS/RS 's. There is a need for the bigger engine on the RT and with the other improvements (service levels, lower rpm shifting range, longer driving range etc)--I think they have a winner there. I would not be surprised that this technology will show up on the other models also before long.
I was thinking that my days for getting another were coming to closure--but know I have something to ponder very closely. Will I become a 5 owner?
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Previously : 2008 GS-SM5 (silver), 2009 RS-SE5 (red), 2010 RT-S Premier Editon #474 (black) 2011 RT A&C SE5 (magnesium) 2014 RTS-SE6 (yellow)
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Originally Posted by OJ UK
Oooooh....very nice! Is that a Mach 1 500cc or an H2 750cc? I had a brief sojourn with a Mach 1 waaaaaay back
when its owner was in the Royal Navy and he'd broken the one into three throttle cable so I made up a new one and had the use of the bike for
around eight weeks one summer before Kawasaki had a real importer in the UK and spares were very difficult to get.
It didn't go round corners but by golly did it go in a straight line.....mainly on the rear wheel I seem to remember!!
I've got a mate who has a mint H2 and aside from the horrendous fuel costs it's gorgeous.
This was the 500cc (499), Mach III, H1. I can't remember if it was a 69 or 70. One was white and the other red (not to much on color choices back then.) A rocket ship straight ahead and a death trap in curves. Never a dull moment!
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I'd like to see some up-grades for the RSS but glad it's not this year since I just got mine. Maybe next year they will add the 3 cylinder to the RSS give it a year in the RT to see how it does. I'd be little nervous about the first year on a new powerplant even if it has been really tested well. Real world test with different people and different riding styles will show the real tail on how it does.
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I too think that the RS-S should have gotten the larger motor, Its the sportbike variant, it's supposed to be the most powerful, quickest bike in the lineup. I Can see why the RT with all its extra bloat needs the larger motor, but they should have just done an upgrade all across the board.
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As an avowed RS fan... I'm DELIGHTED they didn't put the triple in there.
I don't want a torque-monster in the RS. The RS is the sportbike of the bunch, it should feel like a sportbike. And that means high revs.
Now, I do want more POWER in the RS. And range, and reliability, and all the rest that the RT guys are now getting. But I'd much prefer to have a different engine in there.
But leave the triple, as designed, for the RT (and, eventually, the ST... I'm guessing next year for that?).
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Originally Posted by akspyderman
Otter & some others. Sorry to hear that you are not excited with the offerings for the RS.
As most know, I started with the GS and then an RS before moving on to the RT.
After driving the RT's since 2010, most also know that I rented an RS while on my most recent vacation. The difference in power on the RS was very noticable to me in comparison to what I am now used to. With the standard 998 cc I do not have any complaint about less power or performance on the RS in comparison to the RT. The RS seemed like a rocket in comparison to my current RT's. We were also riding two up.
I have been complaining since day one (2010) that I thought the RT was somewhat underpowered in comparison to my previous GS/RS 's. There is a need for the bigger engine on the RT and with the other improvements (service levels, lower rpm shifting range, longer driving range etc)--I think they have a winner there. I would not be surprised that this technology will show up on the other models also before long.
I was thinking that my days for getting another were coming to closure--but know I have something to ponder very closely. Will I become a 5 owner?
I own a 2013 RTS and also a 2010 RS. I parked my RTS a couple of weeks ago due to the recall. I rode my RS this past weekend for about 200 miles. I had forgotten how fast this thing runs. I twisted the throttle and I was amazed. Like a rocket is a good comparison. I love my RS. Never had any problems with it. Absolutely NO HEAT ISSUE with the RS. I am selling my RS, but I really have some attachment issues.
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Originally Posted by otter28169
The spyder is not like other bikes. And my 2005 Mach Z had much more power out of it's 1000cc SDI motor. No reason we can't tune it up a little and turn the motorcycle world on it's ear again.
I got a simple answer for you that will cost lest than half of a new Spyder.
http://aerocharger.com/turbo-systems...cycles/spyder/
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