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OK Bill,
Looks like I can pry upwards using the thin ,vertical slots. Do you think the DESS problem is caused by too strong a signal ( as some have said ) or by too WEAK a signal?????? ( which raising the antenna would solve.) Just wish I could shut off the DESS system completely.
Lew L
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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i think too weak, on mine i could pry it up a little and when you turn the key just the ba of bad key error would come up then the mode scroll stuff that normally comes up, if i pulled it almost to the key head it would start normally, so obviously it needed a stronger signal, i am still going to get it turned off if i ever find someone close to do it, i was thinking if i had it to do over i would just put the new module in and plug in the new antenna{it plugs to module}, and run the antenna wire out in to the frunk, tape it around my extra key head, find a way to secure it and leave it that way, leave the old antenna on the switch un hooked, then you could start it with any key.
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Originally Posted by bayoubill
i found on mine when it quit for good i could raise the antenna and it would start every time, you can turn the ring under the key with pliars and pull it off and pry the antenna up higher without removing anything, and without damaging anything if you're careful, i had to get my antenna so high to start it you couldn't leave it that way though. just something to get you home.
That's interesting, what year bike have you got?
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Hi Bill,
After removing the plastic cover and seeing how to raise the antenna---- I looked again at the plastic cover. A few moments with the trusty Dremel tool and I could open the notch to allow the antenna to be raised 1/8 to 3/16" and still have the key fully functional. I'll give it a try today.
Lew L
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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Originally Posted by Lew L
Hi Bill,
After removing the plastic cover and seeing how to raise the antenna---- I looked again at the plastic cover. A few moments with the trusty Dremel tool and I could open the notch to allow the antenna to be raised 1/8 to 3/16" and still have the key fully functional. I'll give it a try today.
Lew L
im not sure what you are saying , you should be able to pull the antenna all the way up till it hits the key head without grinding anything. it just sits down on the switch, nothing holds it on but the trim ring you turn to pull off.
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Originally Posted by PinkRosePetal
That's interesting, what year bike have you got?
2015 rs
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Originally Posted by bayoubill
im not sure what you are saying , you should be able to pull the antenna all the way up till it hits the key head without grinding anything. it just sits down on the switch, nothing holds it on but the trim ring you turn to pull off.
I milled out a bit of the "L" shaped notch that holds the key trim ring down. ( not the antenna) Then put with the antenna up as far as it would go ( without serious pulling) , I put the trim ring back on, pushing the antenna down a bit. probably raised it only 1/8th" . This was more of an experiment and not a fix.
A new antenna can be purchased right??? Pulling the Frunk and relocating the DESS module ( a replacement module) would be good------ disabling the DESS would be better .
Lew L
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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Originally Posted by Lew L
I milled out a bit of the "L" shaped notch that holds the key trim ring down. ( not the antenna) Then put with the antenna up as far as it would go ( without serious pulling) , I put the trim ring back on, pushing the antenna down a bit. probably raised it only 1/8th" . This was more of an experiment and not a fix.
A new antenna can be purchased right??? Pulling the Frunk and relocating the DESS module ( a replacement module) would be good------ disabling the DESS would be better .
Lew L
i see now what you're saying, i had to raise my antenna so far to get it to work every time the key would push it down when you un-lock the frunk so it wasn't usable like that, i got the module and antenna for 168.00, module was like 128.00 and rest antenna. module alone might fix it but i wanted to make sure the first time by changing both.
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If you replace the DESS module and the antenna do the keys need to be re programmed?
Thank you
Roger
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No. Keys are stored in the ECM
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Originally Posted by petew
New one is on order ,should have it this week. When I do the install I will relocate it as BlueKnight911 did . Also plan to buy a back up and keep it with me if I travel.
Keep us posted on.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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Originally Posted by Pictreed
I'm going to get in on this so it's easier to locate later because we had this error the first time we brought our 2014 home but thought it was low battery. Maybe I should relocate as others suggested and keep a spare module with me?
Tim
Tim,
I have a 2014 RTS-SE6 and I had the D.E.S.S module replaced twice( in 2015 ). I also started a tread "D.E.S.S KEY CODE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a very long thread. The thread has a lot of great info. about the D.E.S.S. Module/and the switch. Be sure that your dealership has the D.E.S.S module in before you drop off your spyder. ( then you are not down for any riding time).
Since 2015 I have not had the D.E.S.S. error show up.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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Uh oh after 45000 + miles the big D got me
I had 2 issues at spyderquest 1st one just showed the key symbol and started after a few minutes. The 2nd time was after closing that showed DESS have to call dealer tomorrow my extended warranty ends in oct.(thank you Deanna for the tips you gave me at GEL.)
2022 marsala red RTL
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2014 RT S SE-6 COGNAC, 2010 RT 622 TRAILER TIMELESS BLACK
BRP trailer hitch, Utopia back rest, Baja Ron sway bar , heim links. Elka stage 2 shocks front and rear.
TricLed fender lights, saddlebag lights and mirror lights. LED headlights and fog lights, Wide vu mirrors.
spyderpops LED bumpskid ,zippered cargo bag linings, Laser Alignment by Netzleys Tire, Stebal air horn
stant gas cap,( Dimple oil plugs REMOVED ) JT dash mount.
(Onboard) Lamonster Garage air compressor and intelliboost charger.
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Originally Posted by spyderryder53
Uh oh after 45000 + miles the big D got me
I had 2 issues at spyderquest 1st one just showed the key symbol and started after a few minutes. The 2nd time was after closing that showed DESS have to call dealer tomorrow my extended warranty ends in oct.(thank you Deanna for the tips you gave me at GEL.)
You are very welcome for D.E.S.S suggestion/tips that I gave you at GEL. Keep me posted on what happens at your dealership. I am glad that I could help you.
Did you get the "D.E.S.S error again you left GEL today?
Did you get to your destination safe( home)?
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
From what I've read on the DESS issue, yes they started with the 14 model …. BRP changed them 3 times, trying to FIX it …. the last version seems to have worked ( for the most part ) …. however they still have failures at least thru 2017 model ….. as I told you in a PM , a few folks here have the BUDS program that will cancel / eliminate the DESS module..... I have not heard of a DEALER that will do it …… If your Spyder is out of warranty - the module costs around $ 135.00 ( cheapcycleparts.com ) and can be changed by most DIY'ers …. the module is located behind the frunk - bolted to the firewall just above the Battery …. it unplugs ( two ) …. As I told you ( in PM ) I then put mine under the right headlight ( the wires will reach that area ) and you will have instant access to the module and plugs...…. IF you have seen the " ORANGE " screen of death , your Module is now in failure mode and will eventually DIE, ……. Mike
Hi Mike, does the frunk have to come off to unplug the dess wires to move over?
Thanks Leon
2022 marsala red RTL
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2014 RT S SE-6 COGNAC, 2010 RT 622 TRAILER TIMELESS BLACK
BRP trailer hitch, Utopia back rest, Baja Ron sway bar , heim links. Elka stage 2 shocks front and rear.
TricLed fender lights, saddlebag lights and mirror lights. LED headlights and fog lights, Wide vu mirrors.
spyderpops LED bumpskid ,zippered cargo bag linings, Laser Alignment by Netzleys Tire, Stebal air horn
stant gas cap,( Dimple oil plugs REMOVED ) JT dash mount.
(Onboard) Lamonster Garage air compressor and intelliboost charger.
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Originally Posted by spyderryder53
Hi Mike, does the frunk have to come off to unplug the dess wires to move over?
Thanks Leon
YES, I have pics in my albums that will show you where it is... ( hidden under the frunk backwall plastic ). And a pic of where I moved mine to ….. The wires are long enough to reach ( must cut plastic wire ties to get slack ) without splicing. If you put it somewhere else this may be an issue...… Mike
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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
YES, I have pics in my albums that will show you where it is... ( hidden under the frunk backwall plastic ). And a pic of where I moved mine to ….. The wires are long enough to reach ( must cut plastic wire ties to get slack ) without splicing. If you put it somewhere else this may be an issue...… Mike
The antenna wire is long enough, without back pulling the cable??
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Originally Posted by trikermutha
The antenna wire is long enough, without back pulling the cable??
????... He's asking about the DESS module ….. this doesn't involve the Antennae …. at least it didn't on mine …… Mike
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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
????... He's asking about the DESS module ….. this doesn't involve the Antennae …. at least it didn't on mine …… Mike
But the antenna plugs into the DESS MOdule. Two connectors on the module.
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Originally Posted by trikermutha
But the antenna plugs into the DESS MOdule. Two connectors on the module.
top connector on the dess module is antenna wire, mine had a big loop of extra wire at the module, rs frunk is very easy to remove, don't know on yours
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Originally Posted by bayoubill
top connector on the dess module is antenna wire, mine had a big loop of extra wire at the module, rs frunk is very easy to remove, don't know on yours
Mine was tucked up in the front tube of the bike, dont think it would reach into that area where Mike put his without back pulling the antenna wire.
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Originally Posted by Deanna777
You are very welcome for D.E.S.S suggestion/tips that I gave you at GEL. Keep me posted on what happens at your dealership. I am glad that I could help you.
Did you get the "D.E.S.S error again you left GEL today?
Did you get to your destination safe( home)?
Deanna
yes I did get the D.E.S.S. again after the closing at the 6 flags. it took about 20 minutes to get it started and when it did I put it right in the trailer. I trailered it because I didn`t want to get stranded on the way there or back.
My dealer said the have to check it out and try to duplicate it before they can put in a claim and they never heard of the problem so I`m kinda weary about that. they can`t take it in till oct.1 so I think I`ll look around in the mean time................ I was wondering if the D.E.S.S. warning came up on the screen will that show up on BUDS?
Leon
2022 marsala red RTL
AND
2014 RT S SE-6 COGNAC, 2010 RT 622 TRAILER TIMELESS BLACK
BRP trailer hitch, Utopia back rest, Baja Ron sway bar , heim links. Elka stage 2 shocks front and rear.
TricLed fender lights, saddlebag lights and mirror lights. LED headlights and fog lights, Wide vu mirrors.
spyderpops LED bumpskid ,zippered cargo bag linings, Laser Alignment by Netzleys Tire, Stebal air horn
stant gas cap,( Dimple oil plugs REMOVED ) JT dash mount.
(Onboard) Lamonster Garage air compressor and intelliboost charger.
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09-11-2019, 07:11 PM
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Thanks for the info. Mike I`ll check it out if the dealer doesn`t get it fixed .
Leon
2022 marsala red RTL
AND
2014 RT S SE-6 COGNAC, 2010 RT 622 TRAILER TIMELESS BLACK
BRP trailer hitch, Utopia back rest, Baja Ron sway bar , heim links. Elka stage 2 shocks front and rear.
TricLed fender lights, saddlebag lights and mirror lights. LED headlights and fog lights, Wide vu mirrors.
spyderpops LED bumpskid ,zippered cargo bag linings, Laser Alignment by Netzleys Tire, Stebal air horn
stant gas cap,( Dimple oil plugs REMOVED ) JT dash mount.
(Onboard) Lamonster Garage air compressor and intelliboost charger.
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