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F3 Engine Check Light with display "Check DPS"
The problem named in the title frame began right from day one and has mystified the dealership's service techs. It happens after the machine has run 30 - 40 miles at highway speeds and clears when the bike is shut down. The problem has left no audit trail that can be read by the service department's diagnostic software. Am I the only one who has experienced this? Thanks for any help or tips.
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Not sure what "pull active codes" means or how to do it. Since the code seems to disappear when the machine is shut down, that would seem to be the time to do it but I don't know how. Does this require a code reader like an OBDII device on a car or is there an on board procedure to do it?
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I agree. If it displayed the error, the code is stored. If the dealer cannot read it its because they do not know how to use BUDS. Have them call BRP for assistance. If they refuse, call BRP yourself for a referral to a different dealer.
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I have gotten BRP involved and am expecting a call from them tomorrow. Wish me luck and thanks for the replies. I think I am going to enjoy this group and hopefully will have more to contribute as time goes along. I am a fledgling moto vlogger and have a few videos on YouTube under the name "Speedsterjohnny". I'm still working on technical issues and improving my delivery techniques.... I hope to become a smoother talker.
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Well, in spite of two emails from BRP promising a call from customer support within 24 hours, it never happened. This is distressing and is it what I can expect going forward? I am not a happy camper. BTW, I was told by one of the techs at the dealership that they were having trouble with the laptop, apparently the one they use to read the codes. Perhaps this is why they were stuck.
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Originally Posted by BRPcare
Hi Speedsterjohnny,
Please let us know if you still haven't heard back from your dealer. If you'd like, you can send us an e-mail with your VIN or case number and we can help move things forward.
Sandra-BRPcare.
On "moving the case forward"...
Hello Sandra.
I have been contacted by "Georges" at BRP and that was essentially to record my VIN with the purchase date, apparently to update the data base to register the warranty. The dealer, Mountain Motorsports of Kodak, Tennessee, suggested that I bring in the bike at my convenience and leave it for a few days. This is really inconvenient since it would mean two trips with a second vehicle but I will do this if there is no other option.
I was told when I brought it in originally that the techs were having difficulty with the laptop they use to plug into the bikes port. I was told that there was nothing recorded in the machine's database to indicate that there was a problem at all. With what others have posted on this thread, this sounds dubious at best, since I did get an engine check light and a "Check DPS" message on the display. This information is supposed to be stored, isn't it?
I am developing a fondness for the bike and it is unfortunate that I have this persistent problem. I am not certain what I should do next.
Johnny
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Problem Resolved?
I have not had a repeat of the check engine light or Check DPS message after putting more miles on the bike. What I really need to do, and will do soon, is get it out on the Interstate and run for 50 miles or so to see if I can make it happen. Driving at sustained highway speeds has always produced the result and I need to be certain before I take it to the dealer. The bike is running wonderfully and I hope whatever glitch was present has resolved itself. We live in hope, don't we?
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Wheel(s) out of balance can generate spurious DPS faults, they only appear whilst underway.
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Low system voltage can cause DPS error. Check battery connections. Grounds. Or possibly weak battery.
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My F3-S did this to me around 600 miles after I stopped for gas on a long trip. I pulled over and the power steering was definitely not working. After starting back up since I was 200 miles from home, deciding to just go ahead and go anyways, it worked fine. I've put another 500 miles on it and still haven't ever seen the DPS error or had any issues again... but its only been a week. Not planning on taking it in unless I see another issue, as I don't usually have anyone available to drop me off or pick me up to leave it to be worked on as the dealer is too far away.
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Originally Posted by cjohnson44546
My F3-S did this to me around 600 miles after I stopped for gas on a long trip. I pulled over and the power steering was definitely not working. After starting back up since I was 200 miles from home, deciding to just go ahead and go anyways, it worked fine. I've put another 500 miles on it and still haven't ever seen the DPS error or had any issues again... but its only been a week. Not planning on taking it in unless I see another issue, as I don't usually have anyone available to drop me off or pick me up to leave it to be worked on as the dealer is too far away.
Problem has not occurred again.
I did not have the symptom of losing the power steering. All I saw was the DPS error message. The dealer was unable to retrieve the code that should have been stored on the computer but admitted they were having trouble with the laptop that they were plugging in. In the two thousand plus miles since the original problem I have not seen it again.
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Got the "Check DPS" message again.
It has been something over 2k miles since I originally reported this problem and it seemed to have gone away. However, on a recent ride I received a check engine light and the "Check DPS" message again. It was a fairly cool day, about 60 degrees, but the pesky message popped up. It always happens when I am traveling at freeway speeds.
I have had no sensation of a tire out-of-balance problem, at least not that I have noticed. Someone suggested that this could cause the problem. I am coming up to my first dealer checkup and this problem will be reported.
Now I have to decide which dealer to bring my machine to. I purchased it from Mountain Motorsports in Kodak, TN. The closest dealer is Alcoa Good times in Louisville, TN, about half the distance. Having a 50 mile round trip, especially if I have to leave it, sure beats a 100 mile round trip. MM has a better overall rating online, based on limited reviews, however MM was unable to get into my trikes computer (laptop problems???) last time I visited them. Any responses?
Thanks as always for your attention.
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F3 Engine Check Light with display "Check DPS"
Just for grins and giggles you really should check and tighten your battery terminals. If they don't have star washers get some, put them on and tighten it down properly; it should then stay that way. These bikes are exceedingly sensitive to altered voltages and poor grounds.
Al in Kazoo
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I have heard good things about Alcoa, hopefully they can figure out your issue.
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FWIW, I had a DPS error come on a few weeks back, restarted the bike then it was gone, as soon as I turned the wheels it came back and power steering was lost, I had several repetitions over a couple of days, then it came on hard.
So the Spyder has been back with the AD for 2 weeks now, apparently waiting on parts.This is the second DPS I have had fail, one failed on the GS too.
@ BRP why on earth fit this nugatory piece of kit, without the weight of the DPS the steering wouldn't need power assistance. Just another example of bad design and don't get me started on the overengineering or build quality.
The powdercoating is already off my rear sprocket after 2,500 miles!!
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Originally Posted by Black Pig
FWIW, I had a DPS error come on a few weeks back, restarted the bike then it was gone, as soon as I turned the wheels it came back and power steering was lost, I had several repetitions over a couple of days, then it came on hard.
So the Spyder has been back with the AD for 2 weeks now, apparently waiting on parts.This is the second DPS I have had fail, one failed on the GS too.
@ BRP why on earth fit this nugatory piece of kit, without the weight of the DPS the steering wouldn't need power assistance. Just another example of bad design and don't get me started on the overengineering or build quality.
The powdercoating is already off my rear sprocket after 2,500 miles!!
Your Problem Sounds Worse Than Mine.
When I reset (shut down) the problem goes away. It is sporadic and I never know when it will occur. On my last trip, I was on the interstate for a number of miles with no problem, but on the return trip, also with a few miles on the interstate, it showed up again. Even though the check engine light comes on and the message appears, there is no change in the handling; It does not appear to be affecting the power steering so it seems like a bogus message. Still, I don't think it's a problem that I should ignore. Thanks for the post!
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retrieving active codes yourself
it takes two hands to retrieve codes. With the key on and the display normal, take your left thumb and depress the eco and the set button at the same time. While those two buttons are down take your right thumb and press the turn signal button straight in. So for just a moment you are pressing three buttons in at the same time. All three buttons are on the left handle bar controls.
If the screen is blank there are no active codes. If you see letters and numbers like P0172 that is an example of codes.
The next time you see any idiot lights, pull over and get the codes.
Dennis
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Do you keep the engine running before pulling the code?
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Originally Posted by Steamer
Do you keep the engine running before pulling the code?
I can do this function while driving. Sometimes there are codes that drop off when the key goes off then on. Some temporary codes are related to manifold pressure being exceeded after red lining the bike. Or some temporary fuel codes from being rich or lean.
If you think you might lose the code, keep the bike running.
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Speedster; Any update? Having the same issues and the dealer is calling for replacing DPS.
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