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04-06-2017, 06:58 AM
#101
Originally Posted by crazycanuck
please stop with your long explanations
If I ever buy another Spyder, it will be a RT Ltd
But that means that we'd be riding the same bikes... and AGREEING on something!!
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04-06-2017, 07:49 AM
#102
Originally Posted by Sarge707
I know they did it for Gas mileage but I much PREFER reving out the 998 twin ?
They did not change the gear ratio spacing of the 5 lower gears for gas mileage reasons. The change went the wrong way for that.
THAT change was made as a concession for those who wanted "hot rod" performance.......and then 6th was added to help with the cruising gas mileage.
While that sounds like a good idea, 50+ years of riding experience tells me that it is NOT.
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04-06-2017, 08:14 AM
#103
I like the 998 RTS I own, and I have plenty of experience with both the 998 & 1300. The 998 engine is a great motor if operated correctly. No regrets of owning one.
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04-06-2017, 08:19 AM
#104
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04-06-2017, 09:41 AM
#105
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04-06-2017, 09:43 AM
#106
Sorry: I prefer...
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04-06-2017, 09:46 AM
#107
I thought about that one, but already used it. Went with something new...😁
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04-06-2017, 09:53 AM
#108
Very Active Member
so where are we with this?
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04-06-2017, 09:55 AM
#109
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04-06-2017, 10:09 AM
#110
Very Active Member
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04-06-2017, 10:24 AM
#111
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04-06-2017, 10:27 AM
#112
Originally Posted by crazycanuck
internet is serious business.
Only for those that truly take it seriously, sometimes WAY to seriously. [emoji57]
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04-06-2017, 10:49 AM
#113
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by DrewNJ
Only for those that truly take it seriously, sometimes WAY to seriously. [emoji57]
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That cut deep
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04-06-2017, 11:08 AM
#114
998cc VS 1330cc
Ok Guys,
Thanks for all your input, I started this, so I will end with my feeling now a few rides later! They are both great engines, I like the 998 torque, but I also like the smooth gear shifting on the 1330 engine. It has the ability to slow down and speed up in town without having to keep the RPM's so high! As for changing the gear levels on the 6 speed, you have to be careful! You can wind up like Harley did, with a 6 speed that you can only use on the interstate highways running 70 MPH or higher only!! I owned about 9 Harleys both 5 and 6 speeds! My 5 speeds pulled better, got better gas mileage, and out performed the 6 speed in the mountains! I am learning to ride my new RT Limited with the 1330cc engine and using the 6 speed transmission with each ride! There is room for both in our Spyder world, so each to his own! Again, thanks for all your comments! I feel like a true Spyder lover after reading all your thoughts!
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04-06-2017, 12:34 PM
#115
Very Active Member
Just FYI.....
2012 RT:
Power: 100 hp @7500 RPM
Torque: 80 lb.-ft @ 5000 rpm
Weight: 930 lbs
2017 RT
Power: 115 hp @ 7250 RPM (15% increase)
Torque: 96 lb-ft. @ 5000 RPM (20% increase)
Weight: 1012 lbs (9% increase)
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2012 RS:
Power: 106 hp @8500 RPM
Torque: 77 lb.-ft @ 6250 RPM
Weight: 700 lbs
2017 F3S:
Power: 115 hp @7250 RPM (9% increase)
Torque: 96 lb.-ft @ 5000 RPM (25% increase)
Weight: 900 lbs (29% increase)
Spyder #1 - 2008 GS SM5 Premier Edition #1977. RIP after 80,000 miles.
Spyder #2 - 2012 RT SM5. Traded in after 24,000 miles.
Spyder #3 - 2015 F3 SM6. Put 13,000 miles on and sold it.
Spyder #4 - 2017 F3 SM6. Too good of a deal to pass up!
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04-06-2017, 12:54 PM
#116
Very Active Member
As Lord Kelvin put it...
Lord Kelvin Quotes. If you can not measure it, you can not improve it. I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind.
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04-06-2017, 06:54 PM
#117
Very Active Member
Firefly, where did you get the numbers: My 2015 RT has an 8300 rpm rev limiter, why would the red line be 7,250 rpm. I ask because I'm a relatively new spyder owner, and just don't know.
David
I think I may have made an assumption or two, but I would be interested in where your numbers came from, if you don't mind. Thanks.
Last edited by Devious56; 04-06-2017 at 07:29 PM.
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were?
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04-06-2017, 08:06 PM
#118
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Firefly
Just FYI.....
2012 RT:
Power: 100 hp @7500 RPM
Torque: 80 lb.-ft @ 5000 rpm
Weight: 930 lbs
2017 RT
Power: 115 hp @ 7250 RPM (15% increase)
Torque: 96 lb-ft. @ 5000 RPM (20% increase)
Weight: 1012 lbs (9% increase)
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2012 RS:
Power: 106 hp @8500 RPM
Torque: 77 lb.-ft @ 6250 RPM
Weight: 700 lbs
2017 F3S:
Power: 115 hp @7250 RPM (9% increase)
Torque: 96 lb.-ft @ 5000 RPM (25% increase)
Weight: 900 lbs (29% increase)
I'd heard that the 2013 RS was cut back to 100 hp. Got a friend that has a 13 model and it seems not as strong as the earlier models.
David
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04-06-2017, 08:09 PM
#119
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Devious56
Firefly, where did you get the numbers: My 2015 RT has an 8300 rpm rev limiter, why would the red line be 7,250 rpm. I ask because I'm a relatively new spyder owner, and just don't know.
David
I think I may have made an assumption or two, but I would be interested in where your numbers came from, if you don't mind. Thanks.
Look here.
http://www.force-8.com/files/5614/24...-Sheet_EN_.pdf
David
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04-06-2017, 09:34 PM
#120
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Warlock
Ok, thank you. Just my opinion, but I'd be a little hesitant to believe all of that. Just seat of the pants mind you, but it seems that no one can come up with a dyno that can actually check a Spyder to get reliable numbers. I would think that if the power falls off as shown in the graph, you would certainly feel it when running thru the gears. Just my opinion mind you, I don't have a dog in this fight.
David
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were?
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04-06-2017, 09:45 PM
#121
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Devious56
Firefly, where did you get the numbers: My 2015 RT has an 8300 rpm rev limiter, why would the red line be 7,250 rpm. I ask because I'm a relatively new spyder owner, and just don't know.
David
I think I may have made an assumption or two, but I would be interested in where your numbers came from, if you don't mind. Thanks.
I got the numbers from BRP spec sheets.
I don't see where it says the redline is 7,250.
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Spyder #1 - 2008 GS SM5 Premier Edition #1977. RIP after 80,000 miles.
Spyder #2 - 2012 RT SM5. Traded in after 24,000 miles.
Spyder #3 - 2015 F3 SM6. Put 13,000 miles on and sold it.
Spyder #4 - 2017 F3 SM6. Too good of a deal to pass up!
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04-06-2017, 10:12 PM
#122
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
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04-06-2017, 10:39 PM
#123
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Peter Aawen
Warlock, That spec sheet only shows Peak Power & Max Torque, it doesn't show how high you can actually REV the motor, that's what the Red-line is for, & there IS a difference between Peak Power & Maximum Revs!!
Just as an aside, there's an often used saying around here to the effect that Power is How Fast you can hit a tree; Torque is How Far you will move it when you hit it!!
Revving your engine beyond whatever revs deliver Peak Power or Max Torque might not add a heap more acceleration or grunt to whatever you are doing because those are the points where the engine will be at its most capable in delivering power or torque, but at the cost of decreasing efficiency revving harder can add to your speed as you (slowly?) wind the revs out beyond the Peak Power Revs right out to the Red-line - hey, if there wasn't anything controlling that (like was often the case on old school non-electronic motors) you could probably keep on revving harder than the red-line & going even faster & faster, at least until the valves started bouncing or the engine blew up!!
I knew it didn't show redline. He wanted to see where Firefly got his numbers. Peak engine rpm differs from red line rpms
David
Last edited by Warlock; 04-06-2017 at 10:41 PM.
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04-07-2017, 07:13 AM
#124
Originally Posted by Warlock
I'd heard that the 2013 RS was cut back to 100 hp. Got a friend that has a 13 model and it seems not as strong as the earlier models.
David
That's true...
They dropped the 990 series engines after 2012, and started using the 991 across the entire line-up.
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04-07-2017, 09:57 AM
#125
Very Active Member
not so interesting info here
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