Harley Davidson fined for emissions from after market devices

[ChocEnabler]

I just ran across this. Interesting article!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/...R5&ocid=OIE9HP

[Bob Denman]

Them and Volkswagen: who'd have thought of that?

[robmorg]

It's good to see the US Department of Justice concentrating their efforts on such important things. After all, that's what we pay 'em for.

[BoilerAnimal]

Them and Volkswagen: who'd have thought of that?

Don't forget Mitsubishi!

[Bob Denman]

Don't forget Mitsubishi!

Are they still around? There aren't any dealers near us, and I don't recall seeing any ads on TV...

[TomB985]

I'm no fan of Harley Davidson, but this is a bit ridiculous. Going after a manufacturer for selling a tuner?

[jcthorne]

I'm no fan of Harley Davidson, but this is a bit ridiculous. Going after a manufacturer for selling a tuner?

It was also labeled and sold for off road competition use only. This suit and others similar to it have far reaching repercussions.

Its the same legal standing that allows the sale of the power commander for older Spyders and for aftermarket programming devices used on cars and trucks.

SEMA will get involved with the appeal on this one but its a bad day for the car and bike hobby. HD just took the brunt of the fine and were made an example by the over reaching EPA.

[Chupaca]

It's a knee jerk reaction to the fact that they got around the system and not the effect....there was none....

[Bob Denman]

Gee.. Doesn't this remind you of when those catalytic converter bypass pipes were called, "test pipes"?

[Sam Mac]

Harley being the big fish is the first that EPA will go after. It will flow downstream. Sooner or later all of those selling cool aftermarket stuff will get wacked. That includes the people that make CAT delete pipes for Spyders. The fines will bankrupt the little guys. I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.............

[jerpinoy]

Harley being the big fish is the first that EPA will go after. It will flow downstream. Sooner or later all of those selling cool aftermarket stuff will get wacked. That includes the people that make CAT delete pipes for Spyders. The fines will bankrupt the little guys. I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.............

Now what happen to some of the owner who have deleted their cat?

[MidTNDawg]

the government needs all the money they can get. Going after criminals does not bring in dollars.

[Sam Mac]

Now what happen to some of the owner who have deleted their cat?

Gov will go after the deepest pockets first and then work down to the little guys. Oh you deleted your GOV approved CAT, here's your fine. And you thought you could just buy a cool go fast bolt on pipe and it was all good, sucks to be you.

[robmorg]

Now what happen to some of the owner who have deleted their cat?

I deleted my cat, but I'm not much concerned. At the same time I did that, I made a vow to eat more beef. The net effect on the ozone layer is positive.

[BoilerAnimal]

Are they still around? There aren't any dealers near us, and I don't recall seeing any ads on TV...

Mitsubishi closed their assembly plant in Bloomington/Normal, Illinois. I believe it was their only US plant. They got caught cheating on emissions tests on small engines in Japan earlier this year; basically the same situation as VW in the US.

[IdleUp]

Looks like all the noisy-ass Harley owners will just have to accept the fact that loud noise does not equal a fast bike - Harley's are dogs when you buy them and dirty dogs when you modify them.

No big loss for Harley since all there crap comes from China they never paid anything for the modify kits to begin with!

[Buckeye Bleau]

I saw the devastation in California when they turned off the water for irrigation after those counties voted for the other candidate, now the HD company is being targeted by the administration because Biker for Trump shut down BLM in Cleveland. Most of them were on HD's.

Joe

[den1953]

The anti-tampering law has been in effect for over two decades and very little enforcement has happened up until now. Big Gov is going after the big fish first and will pursue the small fry later. It's just a matter of time. Most aftermarket products from noisy mufflers to high flow intakes, basically anything that enhances the engine performance is labeled with a disclaimer "for off-road and racing use only" and we all know that most of that stuff gets put on street vehicles. Pretending ignorance to those disclaimers won't buy your way out of a fine when that day comes around.

[Bob Denman]

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[ingramwc]

Big government out of control!!!!!! Revenge by a big government is worse yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just my opinion...

[IdleUp]

Gee guys don't Cry To Loud for the poor guys at Harley - do the math - 340,000 units at $1200 - my buddy just spent $1200 for his installed.

A 12 million dollar fine is like us buying a hamburger at Mc Donald's. Those corporate China loving slobs at Harley are laughing their ass off at that silly little fine. Typical corporate / government smooth over - the fine should have been 500 million.

What lesson could anyone learn from this - its like you robbing a 7/11 for $20,000 and get caught and only have to give them $100 back!

What a Joke - no doubt there were many Harley owners on the fine committee!

[robmorg]

...What a Joke - no doubt there were many Harley owners on the fine committee!

Umm, I'm trying to conjure up a picture in my mind of a Democrat riding a Harley. It's just not coming together for me.

[pauly1]

Have your fun bashing the Motor Company. Any one whom has changed or removed any part of their intake and or exhaust has violated EPA regulations and is subject to fine, imprisonment or both. That goes for private citizen as well as businesses.

However, comparing HD to Mitsubishi or Volkwagon that knowing certified and cheated is incorrect. HD motorcycles passed all emissions well into the late 20-teens. They sold a device which clearly stated for off-road use only. Those of us whom had the stuff installed without intent of non-highway use are guilty as well.

P.s. I have several Democrat acquaintences that ride HD. So it can happen.

Wayne

[IdleUp]

Have your fun bashing the Motor Company. Any one whom has changed or removed any part of their intake and or exhaust has violated EPA regulations and is subject to fine, imprisonment or both. That goes for private citizen as well as businesses.

However, comparing HD to Mitsubishi or Volkwagon that knowing certified and cheated is incorrect. HD motorcycles passed all emissions well into the late 20-teens. They sold a device which clearly stated for off-road use only. Those of us whom had the stuff installed without intent of non-highway use are guilty as well.

P.s. I have several Democrat acquaintences that ride HD. So it can happen.

Wayne

Please Pleas Please Don't even begin to tell me that Harley didn't know those thousands of bikes were on the road that is pure BS. First off how many Harley's do you know that are used for "Off Road" use????

Harley Davidson is nothing but Corporate Crooks who took the good name of Harley and sold their ass to China. Honda is more American than Harley.

Do you think for a split second they care about emissions or our country? Not a chance, they are worse than VW. Unlike VW they got away with it with just a slap on the hand and a fine that is not a fraction of what they made!

[TomB985]

I don't really care about the demographic who rides Harleys. It's not me, but I know those who do. I care more about the fact that the EPA is going after a company for selling a tuner. I've never tuned a vehicle before, but I have a hard time with the idea that you hold the company liable for something labelled for off-road use only. Like the tuners even make a meaningful difference in emissions...it's not like you're removing a catalytic converter or anything.