Daytona has Sport Mode - can it be retro-fitted to other models??

[Yukonf3]

It's interesting that the 2017 Daytona 500 model is being offered with a sport mode option. Now I'm wondering if or how it might be retrofitted to earlier models.

[YPILOT]

Looking at BRP website the F3 S also has sport mode

[CharlieIndia]

Bring on the turbo.

[No 2817]

It's interesting that the 2017 Daytona 500 model is being offered with a sport mode option. Now I'm wondering if or how it might be retrofitted to earlier models.

Me too! I was thinking it would be a "BUD's" update? Hope that comes about.

Chris

[ARtraveler]

Am thinking that they will see how the intro models sell before they start to make it available for all. Not everyone wants to drive a race car.

[Bob Denman]

Since all of the buttons that need pushing, are already there: a programming update might just do it!
But since this "Hooligan Mode" (Forget about "Sport Mode" ), is definitely going to open up all sorts of possibilities for mayhem to occur: I'd bet that they'll be cautious about expanding it's availability.
And you WON'T see it in the other models!

[ultimojustin]

lets assume the worst case scenario here, im gonna guess to get sport mode on 2015/16 spyder f3s would involve a new ECM, gauge cluster and controls, unless they have the sport mode activation within the cluster and not a seperate button on the controls, again thats assuming worst case. im all for an alternative

[Yukonf3]

lets assume the worst case scenario here, im gonna guess to get sport mode on 2015/16 spyder f3s would involve a new ECM, gauge cluster and controls, unless they have the sport mode activation within the cluster and not a seperate button on the controls, again thats assuming worst case. im all for an alternative

I've taken a look at the Bosch sensor spec sheets and the F3 wiring diagram. As it stands now it appears the various sensors on the Spyder provide a normalized voltage (typical 2.5V) to the ECM. Force on the sensors (eg pitch, yaw, roll, acceleration) will cause a deviation of that voltage either positive or negative (eg from .5V to 4.5V). Depending on the level of deviation, the ECM will initiate a programmed response, as in applying brake(s) and stuttering the ignition or cutting throttle.

There are a few ways to get around this. One is install an outboard amplifier that spoofs the sensor's signal to the ECM, either maintaining a constant 2.5V (complete bypass) or a reduced deviation (desensitize).

A second way is to relocate the primary yaw sensor from its higher location down to the frame backbone, thus reducing the motion effect and the subsequent level of voltage change.

The third way, which I'm sure BRP has employed, is to reprogram the ECM to either allow a greater range of sensor signal deviation before a response is initiated or modifying the type and or level of response.

Having said all that, based on the Sport Mode advertising, BRP has the coding for this ECM change, but whether or not we can get access to it, for a reflash of our current machines is yet to be determined.

I know there are quite a few that like the "nanny" as is, I just would like some choice and based on the new Sport Mode models, others must too.

cheers,

[fatboy]

Don't worry about Sport Mode, just keep the stock silencer & get a Lamonster pipe and baffle - better performance and sound.

[Firefly]

I guess I'm not seeing this as some major benefit. As one of original 'Huligans' out here , I like to tear it up as much as the next guy (ask those who've ridden with me ), and I'm not really thinking this sport mode would be used that much or practical for on-road riding. I mean, how often do you do donuts in parking lots?

My understanding is this is simply allowing the rear tire to spin regardless of the position of the front wheels (turned, etc.). Right now you can spin the rear as long as you remain straight... well.... the front wheels I should say.

This probably could be flashed onto older F3's to update them, but I'm doubting BRP is gonna do that... they want you to buy the latest and greatest.

This could also be done by various bypass methods like some of us played with on the GS/RS models.

I think I'll pass on this and just get a plain old F3's... hopefully SOON.

[BamaJohn]

I've taken a look at the Bosch sensor spec sheets and the F3 wiring diagram. As it stands now it appears the various sensors on the Spyder provide a normalized voltage (typical 2.5V) to the ECM. Force on the sensors (eg pitch, yaw, roll, acceleration) will cause a deviation of that voltage either positive or negative (eg from .5V to 4.5V). Depending on the level of deviation, the ECM will initiate a programmed response, as in applying brake(s) and stuttering the ignition or cutting throttle.

There are a few ways to get around this. One is install an outboard amplifier that spoofs the sensor's signal to the ECM, either maintaining a constant 2.5V (complete bypass) or a reduced deviation (desensitize).

A second way is to relocate the primary yaw sensor from its higher location down to the frame backbone, thus reducing the motion effect and the subsequent level of voltage change.

The third way, which I'm sure BRP has employed, is to reprogram the ECM to either allow a greater range of sensor signal deviation before a response is initiated or modifying the type and or level of response.

Having said all that, based on the Sport Mode advertising, BRP has the coding for this ECM change, but whether or not we can get access to it, for a reflash of our current machines is yet to be determined.

I know there are quite a few that like the "nanny" as is, I just would like some choice and based on the new Sport Mode models, others must too.

cheers,

I'm with Jimmy Buffet on this one..."I'm just a carbon-based caveman...just flesh and bone" JB

[Mike,P]

Any info on the Sport Mode/Retro fit???

I know the question has been asked but with the new info passed out over the last few days, has anyone gotten a definitive answer???

[Bob Denman]

Why don't you check with your dealer? They might have heard something about this at the unveiling.

[cribby]

Ok, so now that's out of the way, anyone know the answer?

Ant

[Doug]

This is only a guess on my part, but I believe the sport mode is just a means of disabling the TRACTION CONTROL

[Lastchance]

This is only a guess on my part, but I believe the sport mode is just a means of disabling the TRACTION CONTROL

Sounds right to me in an earlier post Lamonster's computer guy disabled it in BUDS so they could do a Dyno run on a 15 F3

[monkeyboymorton]

I'm guessing it would require a change of the instruments too if it was an offical update. My reasoning is that in one of the videos it showed a light in the intrument cluster coming on to indicate sport mode activated.

If the pre 2017s don't have this light (and I don't think they have) I can't see us getting it officially without the updated cluster.

I.E. I don't think BRP would want us to have it activated, without a light being on to tell us it's activtaed, from a liability point of view.

[_..stiffler..]

The service manager at my dealer said they should be coming out with an update to do this on previous years. But it won't be anytime soon. As they want the 17s to sell. And this feature right now in appealing to some people.

And I believe every cluster has this light. They are all the same clusters. Previous yrs just don't have a way to activate it. "I think"

Sent on Note 5 in Taptalk

[cribby]

Sounds quite positive so far?

Ant

[monkeyboymorton]

And I believe every cluster has this light. They are all the same clusters. Previous yrs just don't have a way to activate it. "I think"

Ahh, that wuold be encouraging. Next time I'm on it I'll hve a good look at the panel. You can usually see where lights are even if the're not lit.

[NonTypicalCPA]

I'm guessing it does more than just alter the tc. My sport mode on my skidoo changes the torque curve making a very noticeable difference in acceleration over standard mode.

[Bob Denman]

I believe that Lamont addressed the indicator light topic in the original introduction video...
Didn't he say that you would have a warning light lit up?
It that's the case: the bike has everything that it needs, except for the programming update!

[Convic80]

I recently purchased a 2016 Can Am Spyder F3S. It was love at first sight. But now the 2017 F3 has Sport Mode.
I really hope that there will be a way that I can upgrade my F3 with Sport mode. It should just be a computer update where it disables the traction control. I have tried calling Can Am and BRP but all I get is customer service who can't give an answer.

[Bob Denman]

The answer is... it can't be done... yet!

[Firefly]

I recently purchased a 2016 Can Am Spyder F3S. It was love at first sight. But now the 2017 F3 has Sport Mode.
I really hope that there will be a way that I can upgrade my F3 with Sport mode. It should just be a computer update where it disables the traction control. I have tried calling Can Am and BRP but all I get is customer service who can't give an answer.

It's really not that big of deal.. more of a sales gimmick. Yes.. technically the 2016 could be 'upgraded' via software to do it.. but how many burnouts does one really need to do?

The F3 can get sliding sideways while spinning the rear tire just fine without the sport mode....