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    Default I got some Troubleshooting Help Today!

    Hi I just got a new F3T. I was on a short ride today and looked down and the check engine light Was on, and in the bottom center of the speedo screen an image of the handle bars with an arrow pointing to the right on top and an arrow pointing left on the bottom was flashing. it didn't seem to affect anything...And it ran and steered just fine. 17 miles on it by the way! I really want to ride But don't want to mess any thing up!

    Any Help is appreciated!!!

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    Looked in my manual and found nothing that could help you. Sorry.
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    The handle bar icon indicates a VSS or DPS faiilue of some kind.
    Check battery connection and the pillion switch connector.
    Those are the easiest to check & fix.

    Check for error codes (MODE-SET-TURNSIGNAL CANCEL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderCodes View Post
    The handle bar icon indicates a VSS or DPS faiilue of some kind.
    Check battery connection and the pillion switch connector.
    Those are the easiest to check & fix.

    Check for error codes (MODE-SET-TURNSIGNAL CANCEL)

    Ok I Checked the battery and connections were tight. I have no clue what the pillion switch connector is. Could you tell me please... the Warning indicators are still lit!

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    I doubt if it is the pillion switch but it is under the rear service cover (where your tool kit is under rear seat).
    The switch is a round thing that clicks when you push it. Follow the wires to a connector. Make sure that connector is tight.

    Check for error codes.

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    Default No Code

    Quote Originally Posted by spyderCodes View Post
    The handle bar icon indicates a VSS or DPS faiilue of some kind.
    Check battery connection and the pillion switch connector.
    Those are the easiest to check & fix.

    Check for error codes (MODE-SET-TURNSIGNAL CANCEL)

    Also I did the mode- Set- Turn signal Cancel to find the code and its just a blank screen. i did this several times and no code!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderCodes View Post
    I doubt if it is the pillion switch but it is under the rear service cover (where your tool kit is under rear seat).
    The switch is a round thing that clicks when you push it. Follow the wires to a connector. Make sure that connector is tight.

    Check for error codes.
    Ok ill check that thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubie View Post
    Also I did the mode- Set- Turn signal Cancel to find the code and its just a blank screen. i did this several times and no code!
    My troubleshooting advice then is better see your dealer since it's brand new, no codes and connectors are tight.
    The DPS usually returns an error code.

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    Default Pillion Switch

    Quote Originally Posted by spyderCodes View Post
    My troubleshooting advice then is better see your dealer since it's brand new, no codes and connectors are tight.
    The DPS usually returns an error code.
    Well i looked and found the switch but tracking the wires is a no go they are hidden under all the Tupperware. oh well thanks for all the help! I really appreciate it ! So no ride till Tuesday to take it back! Oh Well Thanks again!

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    You said you checked the pillion connection but did you check the battery connection too? DPS draws a lot of power and a slightly loose battery connection can cause a problem with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trbayth View Post
    You said you checked the pillion connection but did you check the battery connection too? DPS draws a lot of power and a slightly loose battery connection can cause a problem with it.
    Yes I did that first i even loosend and then re tightened to make sure they were making good contact....

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    Default Curious. ....

    did they happen to do any alignment work pre delivery..? could be they did not reset the sensor with the buds system
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    Default Curious. ....

    did they happen to do any alignment work pre delivery..? could be they did not reset the sensor with the buds system causing the VSS to sense you are not lined up properly going down the road...
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    Default I dont think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Chupaca View Post
    did they happen to do any alignment work pre delivery..? could be they did not reset the sensor with the buds system causing the VSS to sense you are not lined up properly going down the road...
    I don't think they did. I'm not sure Tho. I didn't notice it yesterday when i picked it up and drove it home. or when i started it today before i left. and i was going straight down the road and wasn't getting on it, or cornering hard!

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    I have had the VSS kick in on a long slooping curve. Like a racetrack banked curve and way towards the end. Now hit those curve and do some wiggling so the VSS dosen't think I'm going over... It is something for them to check. I would think your connections are good and the DPS is fine or you would know something is up. Keep us in the loop....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupaca View Post
    I have had the VSS kick in on a long slooping curve. Like a racetrack banked curve and way towards the end. Now hit those curve and do some wiggling so the VSS dosen't think I'm going over... It is something for them to check. I would think your connections are good and the DPS is fine or you would know something is up. Keep us in the loop....

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    Ok i will I feel like the little kid that opened a present at christmas time and it was broken outta the box!!!! I just want to go play with it! But i cant!!! LOL

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    let me ask you...have you shut her down and removed the key walked away say for 30 minutes or so..? if not try that and see if the messages clear. if they do take another ryde and if they don't come back it could be a glitch...one can hope...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupaca View Post
    let me ask you...have you shut her down and removed the key walked away say for 30 minutes or so..? if not try that and see if the messages clear. if they do take another ryde and if they don't come back it could be a glitch...one can hope...

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    Yes I have several times. i keep reading what you guys post then go do that.... and then come back in and read somthing new and go and check that every time i fire it up the check engine light comes on and the orange handlebars light comes on too!

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    That's horrible hope you get it sorted out. Sorry you missing riding time hope they compensate you for the trouble...
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    Sunday like you need to have the steering sensor calibrated... Take it in to the dealer, if that is the problem you should be in and out in 30 min..

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    Default I just wanna ride!

    Do you think it will hurt to ride????

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    Default The Answer to the Problem!

    like to thank every one who tried to help! I really appreciate it!

    So I took the bike in and right away they took it into the back and started to decode the problem they put it on to the computer and it showed no codes! So the master wench jumped into it and this is what he found.... The computer was only showing 6 modules and there Is supposed to be 7. the power steering module was not showing...That's why it showed no code... So they traced the wire and the "pin" his words. was not locked into the power steering module. That's why it wouldn't show any codes it wasn't getting power to it So they plugged and locked it in Place and it works. So if i said any of this wrong i'm Sorry i'm not a mechanic.

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    Thanks for the update. My next question for the mechanic would have been "is there a locking tab on the connector and if so, how did it come apart?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trbayth View Post
    Thanks for the update. My next question for the mechanic would have been "is there a locking tab on the connector and if so, how did it come apart?"
    9 out of 10 it was never locked in and vib from driving wiggled it loose

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    Default Locking Tab

    Quote Originally Posted by Trbayth View Post
    Thanks for the update. My next question for the mechanic would have been "is there a locking tab on the connector and if so, how did it come apart?"
    By the way he talked it did but it was never locked in... he said he never seen one that wasn't locked in. Just my luck! But it all seems to be good now!

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